Calvary Chapel and Women in the Pulpit

Sarah Yadley teaching men

CC’s Sarah Yardley, preaching earlier this year.

Those who are wondering about the Calvary Chapel Association’s announcement of a split from CC Costa Mesa and its pastor, Brian Brodersen, must understand that this has been coming for several years now.

For instance, one of the many reasons that Calvary Chapel pastors were upset about the new direction taken by Brian Brodersen and others is the advent of women teachers in the pulpit.

Traditionally CC doctrinal distinctives have held to the teaching from Paul: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man,” in 1 Timothy 1:12.

Here is Sarah Yardley, preaching at the 2016 Calvary Chapel Missions Conference in California in January. She’s not just telling stories from the mission field, she is teaching God’s Word to men. And not only is she teaching them, she is telling them about her 33 personal prophecies she received directly from God Himself. (37:39) She wrote them in her Bible. One of them was that God made her life like glitter, and He was going to send that glitter out. Another was that there would be a wave of destructive emotion that would overwhelm her and that Jesus would stand with her and keep it from destroying her. “When God gives us a prophetic Word to carry, he doesn’t remove the painful things that come, but says ‘My presence goes with you.'”

Pastors were also alarmed when Brian’s wife Cheryl (Founder Chuck Smith’s daughter), taught Scripture to men at CreationFest 2015:

 

Of course, there were many other signs that a split was coming. Here are a few more related articles:

Pattern of concern:


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58 Responses to Calvary Chapel and Women in the Pulpit

  1. Edwitness says:

    In all apostasy it seems this always comes to fruition. It is not that women have nothing valuable to say. I mean, look at our hosts Amy and Marsha as examples of that. It’s just that as Paul taught, there is never a time a woman is to usurp authority over a man in the church. No exceptions.
    When they are allowed in this position the apostasy of that group has usually become very clear already.

    Blessings:-}

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    • Joanne says:

      This is 2016!!!!!!!!!!! It isn’t apostasy to support women being strong even as a pastor! WAKE UP PEOPLE! I’ve been away from CCCM many years.. but the idea that women must always be submisive is nothing more than CRAP! NO MORE! Seems like more of a cult to me if its willing to keep women suppressed. Now it makes sense to me why when my marriage needed help back in 1985 that all I was ever told was that I must submit to my husband! I never went to another church counselor again. This idea that women do not belong in the pulpit is just plain crap! So out of date for today 2016. White Christian men don’t know everything. White Christian men are not better than everyone else. They are just men just like other men. They need to get down off of their high horse and quit trying to control everything and everyone with their holier than thou attitudes and get real.

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      • Edwitness says:

        Joanne,
        Either what the Bible teaches us matters today as it always has since God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, or it doesn’t. It’s plain to see what you think of what the Bible teaches. But, for the true Christian the Bible is the final court of arbitration regarding any theological discussion. And for real life questions like this one too.

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      • Joanne says:

        spoken like someone in a cult. There are many bible teaching churches out there that are very inclusive and it really is such a disappointment to see CC as more of a cult today. Really sad. It is 2016 NOT biblical times. There is a stark difference in culture and times. Are you teaching people that they will go to hell unless they interpret the bible exactly like YOU PEOPLE are preaching it?

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      • Edwitness says:

        Joanne,
        There is one way to heaven and that is through faith in Jesus Christ as savior. Jesus said
        “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John14:6

        And He also said this “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
        Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
        And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
        Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:….” Mt.7:21-24
        Do you even know what that will is?

        So if I were you I would quit interpreting the scriptures through a “modern” filter, and believe what the scriptures have always said. Read it for yourself and believe what the Holy Spirit tells you. Because it is He that leads Christians in the truth.
        And definitely not modern culture.

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      • Manny1962 says:

        It’s not white Christian men, it’s God who lays down the law, if you don’t like it, don’t blame man, ask God why He says it is to be so. And Ed is correct, God’s word is everlasting. Everyone today wants to mold God to fit their pet peeves. For a Christian the bible is the final word, not a counselor, not a pastor and not a committee.

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      • Jung Park says:

        Wait, I am not white but believe in God’s words.

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  2. If any need clarification on Women in leadership over Men in the church. The ? raised in scripture. It was EVE who was first decieved then ADAM when addressing the first ERROR / SIN / TRANSGRESSION???? . How did GOD address them all including The DEVIL . Who now was their lord GOD or the DEVIL. THe first prophecy on CHRIST determined arrival and dominion and victory over the 2 seeds carnall /spiritual. . SARAH ? ABRAHAM. addressing him as LORD.an example to modern days women in the CHURCH. Please read prov31 about the VIRTIOUS WOMAN and her role in raising her HUSBAND to sit in the company of the ELDERS of the city gates. .Just 1 more Queen VASTHI was taken from her position as QUEEN and given to ESTER a pagan nation dealing with I believe the first WOMAN libber.. SARAH allowing HAGAR to raise up a seed to her. DEBORAH a judge of ISRAEL still needed a man to go into battel with her the LORDS BATTEL NOT OURS.. So many examples of WOMEN used by GOD for his WILL. Now many will say i am MALE CHAUVENISTIC here but the SCRIPTURES are applied to many situations showing you could say CONTRARY in many points of contex. BUT in the letters who is the HEAD CHRIST / the MAN / then the WOMAN. IT was in the BEGGINING so will it be at the end mt24. For many will come in my NAME decieving many Women with ITCHING EARS so also with MEN having a FORM OF GOD but denying the POWER. Gods word is not going to CHANGE FOR ANYBODY. Where he sends his WORD it will not return VOID unto him it will do what he SENT IT TO DO . Also the APOSTACY in the last days there will come first a GREAT FALLING AWAY. Then the son of PERDITION shall be REVEALED. Hey just like in the GARDEN GOD dealt with it so also NOW.As DAVID said SELAH. EVE was taken from MAN for GODS PURPOSE. Then MAN came from EVE. Who was in control. then?????????

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    • Edwitness says:

      It was only Eve that was deceived. “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” 1Tim.2:14

      “Who was in control. then?????????” God.

      Blessings:-}

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      • snooop1e says:

        If what you are saying is true then Adam committed the greater sin for despite knowing the truth he STILL sinned against God whereas Eve being deceived did not fully grasp the truth.

        You just shot yourself in your Exegetical foot.

        “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”

        -Jesus

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      • Edwitness says:

        snooop1e,
        How does that make Adam’s sin greater than Eve’s? “Exegetically” I mean.

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  3. Q says:

    This brings up something I have been thinking about lately. It’s (been) almost a given, in CC and other churches, that it was okay for women to teach other women and children at church, bible studies, etc., but not allowed to teach men or be in a position of authority over men in church, bible studies, etc., and I have accepted that understanding or position.

    1 Timothy 2:11-15 (NASB) – reads –

    11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

    The accepted understanding of these verses has been that a) women are not allowed to teach or exercise authority over men, and b) women are more easily deceived than men.

    If women being more easily deceived than men is the correct meaning and is one of the two reasons (vs 13 & 14) given for not allowing women to teach (preach, exposit scripture) would it make sense for women to teach (preach, exposit scripture) women?

    Why would it be okay for the more easily deceived to teach the more easily deceived?

    Wouldn’t that be even more dangerous?

    And wouldn’t that make vs 12 two subjects, 1) I do not allow women to teach (preach or exposit scripture) – nor – 2) do I allow them to exercise authority over men.

    Titus 2:3-5 encourages older women to teach younger women “to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.” Which lines up with 1 Timothy 2:15 “But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. But Titus 2 does not encourage preaching or expositing scripture.”

    Iv’e been thinking that many have taken this verse in Titus 2 and mixed it with other verses on the topic to start women’s bible studies, etc.

    Should women teach (preach, exposit scripture)?

    I know the egalitarian views so I am not really looking for thoughts from that point of view but are there any thoughts from the traditional view that CC and others have held?

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    • berlorac says:

      Q, these are good questions. I’m of the persuasion that Paul was speaking in the context of the church assembly, so that women are not allowed to teach in that setting due to men being present. A woman must not force a man to either sit under her authority or have to leave the assembly.

      But then we see that Priscilla took the lead in teaching Apollos. Notice that this was not in a church assembly but seems to be in private, in the home of Aquila and Priscilla.

      Given these Scriptures, it would seem that Paul’s command to not allow female teachers in the church assemblies is not necessarily because they are more subject to deception and, therefore, “ignorant,” but because Eve was the one who transgressed God’s command in the Garden, thus leading to women being subjected to men, in general. It is a position to which women have been assigned (Genesis 3:16), just as the man is subject to the cursed ground (Genesis 3:17), having to toil.

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      • Q says:

        berlorac,

        Good point about church setting vs home setting discussion.

        My point wasn’t that women or more “ignorant” but being more susceptible to being deceived to false teaching, maybe through their emotions and their for shouldn’t exposit scripture in an official setting?

        The bible says women can prophecy but that would’t be them teaching but God speaking through them and women can pray but then again that’s not teaching.

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      • berlorac says:

        Q, yeah, I didn’t mean “ignorant” as in “stupid,” but ignorant of the truths of God. I don’t see where women are not able to know and understand and exposit the Word, but that they are assigned to the role of subservience due to Eve’s sin.

        Your point about prophecy bears that out, I think. Women were used of God to speak forth His Word, but were not permitted to be pastor-teachers. Speaking the Word is not necessarily a usurpation of a man’s authority. A pastor is never a pastor alone, but a pastor-teacher. The Greek in Ephesians 4:11 will show this. The assemblies are to be headed by pastor-teachers, but women cannot be “over” men; thus, they cannot be pastor-teachers.

        Paul says women are not “to teach, nor have dominion over a man…” Does he mean women are not to teach at all, nor have dominion over a man? Or, does he mean women are not to teach men, nor have dominion over men? I think the latter, given the context, which is the order of the assemblies that are populated by men.

        Your reference to women being more susceptible to deception is well taken, but I’m noticing that these women are those who are “silly,” and “laden with sins” (2 Timothy 3:6). Does this mean that all women are silly and laden with sins and are therefore easily deceived? Or, does this mean that silly women laden with sins are those who are easily deceived? That latter, of course.

        Good discussion, Q.

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      • Q says:

        berlorac,

        Thanks for the discussion.

        Iv’e got your point about women not being able to teach or have authority over man because you believe it’s part of the curse, egalitarians would argue that and would say it no longer applies after Christ i.e., restored to pre-fall. This is not correct.

        Also the silly women do not come to an understanding of the truth so of course they would be excluded from teaching etc., and would not need to be mentioned in this context.

        I think there is more to it and perhaps because women are more easily deceived and that forbids them from teaching. Paul gave two reasons 1) Adam was created before Eve (before sin and the curse) and 2) Eve was deceived, not Adam.

        And if pastor and teacher are the same person in verse 11 then by the same grammar rule so are apostles and prophets in Ephesians 2:20.

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      • berlorac says:

        Q, I don’t see the egalitarian argument, i.e., restored to pre-fall because we are now post-cross. Instead, I agree with you that Paul gives those two reasons. 1) Adam was created before Eve. And 2) Paul says that the consequence of Eve’s sin is still in force.

        But again, this rule is cited in the context of the assemblies, so far as teaching goes. It would seem that if Apollos was pleased to receive teaching from Priscilla in a private setting, then that was between them and God. In fact, God is the one who set up the meeting.

        As to the construction of pastors and teachers in Ephesians 4:11, see also 1 Timothy 3:2, where the bishop (pastor, elder) must be able to teach. But there is no thought that all who have the gift of teaching must pastor. In Ephesians 2:20, we see the exact same Greek construction. All apostles were prophets, but not all prophets were apostles.

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      • Q says:

        berlorac,

        I agree with the context of assembly…

        I also agree you can have the gift of teaching without being a pastor.

        Pastor appears to also be a gift, elder appears to be an office with qualifications.

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      • Q says:

        berlorac,

        “And 2) Paul says that the consequence of Eve’s sin is still in force.”

        No, I said – “2) Eve was deceived, not Adam.”

        Paul said – “And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”

        berlorac, I understand your position.

        Again if women being more easily deceived is the reason that Paul does not allow them to teach then why would it be okay to teach women…in an assembly or official position.

        Why let the more easily deceived teach the more easily deceived?

        Anyone?

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      • Edwitness says:

        Amen Q,
        I think you have nailed it.
        Blessings:-}

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      • berlorac says:

        Q, I agree with you that Eve was deceived; therefore, women are disqualified from teaching in the assemblies. My statement about the consequence of Eve being deceived is that women are disqualified from teaching in the assemblies; that is, this position to which God has placed the woman is still in force, not having been changed post-cross.

        It seems that you are inferring from 1 Timothy 2:14 that all women are more easily deceived, therefore no women are allowed to teach, period. But Paul doesn’t say that. Again, he’s talking about a woman’s position in relation to men in the assemblies. You do state this, but you also say that because women are more easily deceived then they shouldn’t be teaching other women, presumably in any setting.

        I agree that it is rare that a woman can properly exegete the Scriptures and I don’t think that the churches should automatically have “women’s ministries” in which women are encouraged to become teachers and lead Bible studies. This has so often led to disaster. But given that Priscilla had the gift of teaching, I think we have to be aware that God has made exceptions. Not in the assemblies, of course, but in other settings. If I am incorrect in this, then it would be hypocritical to keep coming to this blog to read Marsha’s teachings.

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      • berlorac says:

        Q, I think we both agree that some women were given the gift of prophecy. I see this as the same thing as the teaching. Some women were given the gift of teaching (apparently Priscilla), and some had the gift of prophecy, but they weren’t allowed to use those gifts in the assemblies. I believe this is due to the position to which they have been assigned by God, not necessarily because they are more easily deceived. Otherwise, why would God have given these gifts to women at all? “Ladies, I’ve given you these gifts but you can never use them because you are all so easily deceived.” Hmm… No, from the context, it would seem that these gifts are/were to be used in the proper setting; that is, not in the assemblies where men are present.

        If women shouldn’t be teaching women because women are more easily deceived, then what was the use of the gifts given to women?? I suppose they could teach their husbands at home, if the husbands are willing. Otherwise, they could teach other women and/or children.

        Thanks for the discussion, Q.

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      • Q says:

        berlorac,

        We agree that women should not teach in a public assembly where men are present, I’m implying they should not teach in a public assembly at all. That women should not teach in a public meeting – And – a woman should not have authority over a man.

        Okay, we can agree that in public meetings a woman is to learn in silence with all submission and that this is consistent with the rest of scripture?
        (1 Timothy 2 11; 1 Corinthians 11: 3-15; 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35)

        When Paul say “I do not allow a woman to teach” it is inspired of God and it means in a public meeting or assembly (what we call church)?

        So women should not seek to have a public teaching ministry in the church?

        Today we have a lot of church meetings so their is a program for everyone and one of those church meetings is women’s bible study, many times with a women teacher.

        Now if people are having a public meeting to hear teaching, why would it be okay for a women to teach just because the meeting is all women?

        Now Paul gives two reasons a woman should not teach in public meetings. The first reason, “Adam was formed first, then Eve”. So the order of the creation was significant, by God creating Adam first he intended him to be the one to exercise direction and Eve to be in submission.

        The second reason proves the first, Eve didn’t seek direction but was deceived and transgressed, Adam was not deceived. That is probably why cults visit homes when women are more likely to be home alone.

        If Paul meant women should not teach because they are more easily deceived it would be consistent with the above.

        Women should not seek to teach in public meetings even if it is all women assembling. That would certainly fix the whole Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, Christine Cain, Priscilla Shirer, et al., problem.

        This is what I have been considering lately…

        Thoughts anyone?

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      • Edwitness says:

        Q,
        I agree with all that you said and the reasons/scriptures you gave for believing them. The scripture is clear on this subject if you believe it literally. Something I strive for as much as possible.
        Blessings:-}

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      • Q says:

        Thanks for the discussion berlorac and your thoughts Edwitness,

        berlorac had a good point about the gift of teaching e.g., how would a women practice that gift outside the assembly?

        Perhaps the gift of teaching to women would not be to exposit scripture in the assembly but to teach younger women to “love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored”.?

        I can’t think of a solid public woman teacher?

        Assemblies of God went with the idea of gifting rather than scripture and ended up ordaining women based on what they perceived as a gift. This is also the argument from Christian feminism (perceived gifting).

        Also berlorac made a good point about the women running this blog… This isn’t an official assembly yet it is public…is it okay because it’s main purpose isn’t to worship but discuss?

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      • Edwitness says:

        Q,
        The scripture emphasizes the point of not usurping authority over the man. For me this is the defining factor for determining if the scripture is being adhered to.
        The only teaching that women are instructed to do in scripture is in Titus2:3-5,
        “The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
        That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
        To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.”

        Acts18:26; This verse in Acts gives the biblical example of Priscilla who, along with her husband Aquila, explained the doctrine of Christian baptism to Apollos. As far as I can see, there is no reason to believe that Priscilla is usurping authority over Apollos or her husband.

        I also see no attempt from the women here to do anything but share Biblical views about the apostasy going on in the church today. Many of these articles come from other writers. I have nothing but respect for the way Amy and Marsha manage this site. As I’m sure you do as well.

        Blessings:-}

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      • Q says:

        Thoughts ^^^ anyone?

        Amy, Marsha?

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      • Q says:

        Thanks Edwitness for your reply.

        Yes I respect Amy and Marsha. I’m sorry if it came off differently.

        I was hoping to get their understanding on the subject and thread as well as others.

        I’d like to sign this with – Blessings – but the greater blesses the lesser and I don’t want to presume.

        That probably came off wrong too. 😦

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      • Edwitness says:

        Q,
        My respect for Amy and Marsha statement was not a reflection of something you said. It was just a comment that I thought applied in this context. You conveyed no disrespect as far as I could tell. And it has been interesting reading your conversation with berlorac. You both made some very good points and covered the topic quite well.

        Blessings:-}

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      • berlorac says:

        Hey guys, I appreciate the respect with which you’ve both addressed the subject.

        Edwitness, you said, [I also see no attempt from the women here to do anything but share Biblical views about the apostasy going on in the church today.]

        I agree that this is what occurs most often, and many times these are merely links to other articles. However, even those links sometimes direct to women teachers, such as Michelle Lesley and others. These are often exegetical in nature. Also, Marsha sometimes posts her own teachings and these are sometimes more lengthy expositions of Scripture.

        I don’t have a problem with this because I don’t see this as usurping a man’s authority. This isn’t an assembly. We can’t extrapolate Paul’s teaching on the order of assemblies to what we have today, like blogs. But if you feel that Paul’s teaching to Timothy includes the idea that women are more easily deceived and, therefore, should not teach (at all), then it would be hypocritical to continue to partake of this blog. This is not meant to be disrespectful to you, but I can’t help but feel that if you are so strongly opposed to women teachers, you probably need to reconcile this issue between you and God in light of your participation here. I mean, either rebuke the ladies here or not, but at least be consistent.

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      • Edwitness says:

        Berlorac,
        Do you think that these women sharing here is usurping authority over a man? I don’t. That is the context, at least as I understand it, that would place them in the wrong. Are they writing their thoughts and sharing here with anyone who wants to read them? Or teaching from a position of authority those who read them, and exercising authority over them?
        All the instruction Paul gave regarding this subject is to be considered when making a decision about this. And when you put them all together the issue that is paramount is authority.
        Is Amy or Marsha exercising authority over you when she tells what she knows about the apostasy that is happening in the church today? I certainly don’t see it that way. In fact, in this comment stream we have great latitude in our agreement and disagreement with what they have written. Try that in a church you attend. You will be out before you know what happened.
        Could the women who own this site ask someone to leave if they chose to? Sure they could. But, that is the result of the fact that they own this site. Much like their house they might own. If they asked you to leave their home you would surely go without giving one seconds thought to her usurping authority. Because it is her house.
        This site, and any other for that matter, is in my view then consistent with what the scripture says about women and usurping authority over the man through teaching. I have no king but King Jesus. I answer to Him.
        But, it seems that you do have an issue with them in this. So it seems it is you that should discover if your remaining here is right in God’s eyes. You have read my understanding of it. Not a problem.

        Blessings:-}

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      • berlorac says:

        Edwitness,

        Q said, [If Paul meant women should not teach because they are more easily deceived it would be consistent with the above.

        Women should not seek to teach in public meetings even if it is all women assembling.]

        Then, you said, [Q, I agree with all that you said and the reasons/scriptures you gave for believing them.]

        Ed, that sounded to me like you were agreeing with Q that women should not have a public teaching platform. If that’s not what you were agreeing to, then maybe you should re-phrase your response to Q.

        My contention all along has been that women were given gifts of teaching and prophecy and, while Q and I agreed that the exercise of these gifts does not extend to the church assemblies (where men are present), we disagreed when considering other avenues of teaching. Q seems to think that women should not engage in any public teaching, while I believe that if women were given the gift of prophecy (speaking forth the Word of God) and teaching, then there needed to be an avenue to exercise those gifts (apart from the assemblies). When you agreed with Q, I took that to mean that you did, indeed, agree with Q.

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      • snooop1e says:

        It’s really very simple,

        women should not teach or have authority over men and should remain silent in church BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO.

        It’s just that simple, all of this discussion and analysis of the scriptures is silly. It is so because God said it is so,period. There is nothing to discuss.

        It’s only pride that seeks an explanation from God. God owes no explanation to anyone. A true Christian needs no explanation from God, the mere fact that God said it is explanation enough.

        All of you Protest-ants keep Protesting and see where it lands you…as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

        “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”

        -Jesus

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  4. Ron T says:

    The issue is not is a woman teaches, it is if she has removed herself out from under the headship of a man that makes her unfit to teach other women and children. Indeed she should be teaching others how to live underneath that headship, much like a man that has not submitted to the lordship of Christ is unfit to teach in public setting.

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  5. nannette says:

    Of 1 Timothy 2:11-15 J. Vernon McGee says: These verses have to do with the learning and teaching doctrine. Keep in mind that the women led in the mystery religions of Paul’s day, and were sex orgies. Paul is cautioning women not to speak publicly with the idea of making an appeal on the basis of sex. Paul strictly forbade women to speak in tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:34. It was the sin of Eve that brought sin into the world. Now every time a woman bears a child, she brings a sinner into the world-that is all she can bring into the world. But Mary brought the Savior into the world. Don’t ever say that woman brought sin into the world, unless you are prepared to add that woman also brought the Savior into the world. MY friend, no man provided a Savior: A woman did. However each individual woman is saved by faith. She is to grow in love and holiness just as a man is. My comment is this: It’s the men who are allowing the Jezebel’s to infiltrate the church! And, on the far opposite scale treating women like they are beneath them, servant slaves such as in the cults and in homes by abusive men who demand obedience to them. Just sayin’.

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    • Hi thanks for your JUST SAYING comment. Yes the the position of the created man was to watch over the helpmate WOMAN /WOMB of MAN.. Yes today has a problem in role plays in the church and watching for the JEZEBEL spirit which SEPERATES. Thus always causing confusion so it was in the GARDEN between the man / woman ? who gave them the nudge the accuser which showed up. All the transgressors the 3 of them GODS presence made the DIFFERENCE and he had to deal with it there in the garden all pointing the finger at each other. .So now the Woman was going to bear CHILDREN for GODS plan of REEDEMPTION for all the living souls of mankind the woman now had a example of headship as long as both were SUBMISSIVE to GOD and his PLAN for a SAVIOUR coming from the WOMAN .2 seeds in the garden 1 was going to bruise his head 1 his heel. Did not CHRIST say we would have POWER over the ENEMY our feet shed with the GOSPEL. How beautifull are the FEET of them who bring the GOSPEL. CHRIST died for us leaving us the EXAMPLE for husbands / wives. HIM being the HEAD over the CHURCH paul said this was a mystery. HUSBANDS / WIVES . If you read pr31 on the VIRTIOUS WOMAN and her role in raising her family++++++++++ many other roles especcially paising her husband to sit with the ELDERS at the city GATE for protection of all therin. A very GOOD ex after the fall in the GARDEN hey. Women do have a part in the CHURCH thank GOD for that . The man should LORD over GODS INHERITANCE nor have DOMINION over their FAITH .BBBBUUUTTT be helpers of there JOY . THY KINGDOM COME LORD. We are paitently waiting LORD .Thank you for the COMFORTER. P. T. L . SELAH. SHALOM to all who call on EMMANUEL / CHRIST / MESSIAH our SAVIOUR.and REEDEEMER.

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    • Nannette –

      Interesting… “Mary brought the Savior into the world” and “woman also brought the Savior into the world” and “no man provided a Savior: A woman did.”

      Silly me! all this time I was lead to believe that it was God who provided the savior, using Mary as His tool in the same way He used people like Noah, Jonah, Abraham, Moses, Rebecca, Peter, John and Paul to do His bidding on earth.

      If you believe that the bible is truly God’s word you wouldn’t be saying things like this because it’s abundantly clear in Romans 5:12

      12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through ONE MAN, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because ALL SINNED

      (Emphasis mine) and the word man here in Greek was anthrōpos which means “human being” not man and not woman. In other words, all of us, blame wasn’t assigned to Adam or Eve, but to God’s greatest creation, mankind.

      You are right when you said “It’s the men who are allowing the Jezebel’s to infiltrate the church!” Truest statement you made. the following sentence however is a bit off the scales, unless you’re talking about the religion of peace.

      The roles of men and women in the church are clearly defined in God’s word as a prayerful and thoughtful study of the subject will show. People like Brian Brodersen and Tony Campolo believe that it’s correct to put God’s word in the context of what they believe the times to be, even though neither is a student of history. I personally believe that the word of God is to be put in the context of the word of God. And as Dr. John MacArthur says “I’m not God’s editor”

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      • nannette says:

        Douglas, Of course GOD brought the Savior, Jesus is God, but He used Mary who is not His mother, but the vessel. Don’t get the idea I was elevating women. I was not. McGee’s point was how men treat woman, that is what I was getting at. I’m a business woman, I know what I’m talking about in that field of how men treat women. On the other hand women have elevated themselves above men which is a travesty. I guess you could call it women’s lib or Jezebel.

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  6. So now the scriptures are null and void, men’s and women’s opinions overule God’s Word doomed.

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  7. Ignoring 1 Timothy 1:12 is bad enough, but this woman flaunts Proverbs 30:5-6, but The Church of Brodersen wouldn’t know that part, Brian has banned the Old Testament from his goat pen

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  8. To the Law and to the Testimony. Isaiah 8-20
    Grace is grace but not license to do what you feel is right,
    feelings will always fool you.

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  9. Amy Spreeman says:

    Just a clarification for everyone following these comments: Complementarian women absolutely can contend for the faith and report the events of the visible church in this Great Falling Away. And to do that properly, we quote Scripture as we hold false teachings to the light of Christ. We’re not teaching men, we’re not preaching to the congregation and we’re not in any position of authority. Many complementarian preachers are fine with women using Scripture in their blogs or on the radio – even (gasp!) John MacArthur! (Some female bloggers have asked him about this directly)

    As far as my Bible teaching community over at Naomi’s Table (naomistable.com), we’ve made it crystal clear that this ministry is for women only, and that men should NOT be participating in our Bible studies (unless they are listening to vet our ministry for their ladies or their wives!).

    Anyway, all this to say that we are reporters here, and not teachers. I hope that helps!

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  10. Timothy says:

    You can read an article showing CC’s views on this by Sandy Adams on the Calvary Chapel Association website, calvarychapelassociation.com under From the Council and one by David Guzik on calvarychapel.com under Articles and I am sure you can pick Calvary pastor’s and listen to their teachings on this to obtain the viewpoints held by Calvary.

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    • snooop1e says:

      Why read unbiblical sources when you can go straight to the Bible? Also it’s rather ironic that CO’S website has a woman teaching people about the biblical command against women being teachers. Just saying.

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      • Timothy says:

        Snoop1e, This was a reply to the one asking what Calvary’s stance was about women preaching. The stance that I am aware of within the majority of CC is in line with the Bible hence the reference to the articles.

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  11. ken says:

    If you look at ceremonies of homosexual ‘marriages’ you’ll notice 99% are presided over by females. The heart of a mother leans extraordinarily toward grace – even grace that violates God’s law; hence the ‘easily deceived’ part.

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    • snooop1e says:

      There is no such thing as “grace that violates God’s law” God is the origin of all Grace. God cannot violate Himself.

      P.S. If salvation is by “faith alone” doesn’t God overlook/forgive/ignore incorrect doctrines and works? If not then salvation requires BOTH faith and correct doctrines/works. Which is it? Can’t have it both ways. Why are ALL heterosexual sins (including future sins) covered by belief in Jesus alone but a homosexual who accepts Jesus must also abstain from sin? That is contradictory.

      For example when a heterosexual Christian uses drugs and/or surgery to reverse the way God made them for the sole purpose of engaging in sterile sex that will not result in conception Protestants agree that is acceptable to God BUT if a homosexual uses drugs and/or surgery to reverse the way that God made them for the sole purpose of engaging in sterile sex – that will not result in conception those same Protestants condemn the homosexual.

      Both the heterosexual and the homosexual are doing the exact same thing but the heterosexual is still “saved by his/her faith alone while the homosexual is not. Hypocrisy.

      “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”

      -Jesus

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      • Edwitness says:

        snooop1e,

        “If salvation is by “faith alone” doesn’t God overlook/forgive/ignore incorrect doctrines and works?”
        YES!!
        Romans4:15- “Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.”
        And Paul taught in Rom.2:15
        “Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”

        And
        “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments” Said Jesus to the Isreaelite for only Israelites to keep because only they were given the law.

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  12. Ben says:

    I see nothing wrong with one missionary (weather femal or male) speaking to a gathering of other missionaries. This is not a church service. The congregation is not present. This is clearly a meeting of missionaries. Yes, they are holding their meeting in the sanctuary of a church. Would there be the same criticism if they had held their meeting outside?
    I know Sarah and I know her family. Sarah is a very Godly woman. She is doing an amazing work (by the Holy Spirit) over seas. She is the same person in this video as she is in person. There is nothing fake about her. She has a real love for the lost. God is doing an incredible work through her life. It really is okay for her to share with others. It’s a shame for someone to try to use her, talking to and sharing with other missionaries, as an example of breaking God’s law. I really hope she dosn’t see this. Please prayfuly consider taking her off your list of grievances you hold against Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa.

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    • snooop1e says:

      How is a woman who is violating a clear command of God in Scripture a “Godly” woman?

      I suppose we should put aside God’s words in Scripture and trust your words instead huh?

      Jesus said that people will cast out demons and do miracles in His name despite the fact that they NEVER truly knew Him and they will be cast into the eternal fire.

      Just because God’s will is done DESPITE a person’s sinfulness does not in any way nullify God’s commands or mean we can accept sin in the body of Christ and knowingly reject God’s clear teachings in the Bible.

      “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”

      -Jesus

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      • snooop1e says:

        P.S. John Wayne Gaycee made a lot of kids happy by being a clown at birthday parties but he also killed 30 boys and buried them beneath his home. Should the authorities have ignored all of the murders that he committed because he made a lot of kids smile along the way?

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  13. Sam says:

    This whole argument is part of the reason why the church is becoming a laughingstock. Going at each others throats over something not central to the Gospel, rather than uniting over the core stuff and going after the gates of hell together as one body with Christ as our head. Truly shameful here.

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  14. Sam says:

    This whole argument is part of the reason why the church is becoming a laughingstock. Going at each others throats over something not central to the Gospel, rather than uniting over the core stuff and going after the gates of hell together as one body with Christ as our head. Truly shameful and fruitless here.

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  15. I would like to say that the head of Jesus is God and the head of man is Jesus and the head of women is man. There’s a big difference. Everyone has a role for them and it’s clearly outlined in the Bible. When we go outside those roles we enter into trouble. It’s not complicated. The main question is, are you spending time with Jesus. Listen to Hanswaldvogel sermons at Hanswaldvogel.com. Thanks,Will

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