On the Chuck Missler partnership with “prophet” Kim Clement

A lot of Christians have been asking about one of a well-known Bible teacher, Pastor Chuck Missler. I’ve been aware of growing concerns being voiced from around the country over teachings and partnerships, including the pairing of Pastor Missler with New Apostolic Reformation “singing prophet” Kim Clement. This is one of many video promotions from Clement’s site, in which he talks about his prophetic gifts – extra-biblical visions and knowledge he says God gave him directly to share with his massive audience:

The Discernment Research Group has released its findings about the pairing of Pastor Missler’s Koinonia Institute with Kim Clement. The article is lengthy and addresses many concerns, all footnoted and linked so that readers can examine and compare these events to Scripture as the Bereans did.

With permission, I’ve republished a snippet of the report with a link back to the entire article, originally posted at Herescope:

Kim Clement & Chuck Missler

The Merging of Muddy Waters

For the past few years, we have documented the ever-mystical leanings of notable Bible teacher and author, Chuck Missler, ultimately listing him among a group of evangelical teachers we’ve dubbed ‘Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm’ (PPP) leaders, because of their gravitation away from sound truth revealed in Scripture alone, coupled with their feverish efforts to re-fashion end-times prophecy to fit their extra-biblical speculations. We have written extensively and in detail of these seductive, morphing departures from the Word of God.[v] The end result has been a toxic mixture of truth and error—leading away from Christ and headlong into the occult.

Chuck Missler during a Q & A at Clement’s House of Destiny (HOD)

In recent years, Missler has been embroiled in several controversies related to his teachings dealing with Quantum Mysticism, Cryptic Bible Codes, and Nephilim False Eschatology.  He has also been caught on more than one occasion in plagiarism.

In 2007, Missler drew yet another type of controversy when he appeared on the speaking platform with a group of NAR prophets, mystics, and teachers, for the Quantum Leap2 conference—co-sponsored by the extreme prophetic entity, TheElijahList.

It was therefore a curious thing to discover that NAR prophet Kim Clement had hosted Chuck Missler for a 3-day End Times Conference—beginning on January 9th of this year—desirous to “wash” in Missler’s “river” (see the first quote at the top of this post). On Day 2 of this conference, Missler announced to the energetic crowd present, and to his untold video audience, “we sense a real partnership emerging between Kim and myself”[xii] (see the bottom quote at the top of this post).

So, who is Prophet Kim Clement and what sort of partnership might this merge into?

(Read the entire article here)

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88 Responses to On the Chuck Missler partnership with “prophet” Kim Clement

  1. Rosebud says:

    Sounds profit-ic to me…

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  2. Wow. Great article. Chuck Missler went off the rail awhile back. Now it's confirmed. Kim Clement is a whack job. What he "prophesied" anyone who's been awake for the past 3 yrs.; could have done the same. They have been fracking in North Dakota for 5 yrs.? Isis is only mentioned now because "Hezbolla" isn't vogue anymore. Oh my. How do you both do this anymore? Crazy times. p.s.(Aliens or demons, never mated with women)

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    • Reader says:

      Genesis 6:4"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."
      Luke 6:37
      "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

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      • James says:

        The bible exhorts the believer to judge doctrine, it's judgement of a persons heart, or intentions the bible condemns. John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.1 Corinthians 6:1-5 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
        2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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      • Reader says:

        "Chuck Missler went off the rail awhile back.""Kim Clement is a whack job."
        Ephesians 4:31-32
        "Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
        Jude 1:9
        "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'"

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      • son of Abram says:

        Amen to that!Agape > Knowledge

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  3. Paul Bortolazzo says:

    Missler is a false prophecy teacher; Clement a false prophet.

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  4. I also think that KC is the one who prophesied that "new manuscripts will be uncovered…" (biblical) and there was much lauding for pope francis. One world religion, anyone?
    Google it and see, I forgot but I think it was that person.

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  5. Keith McKenzie says:

    Love Chuck, but you have to wonder is he loosing his edge with age. Kim Clement is a serious "RED FLAG"… Nobody's perfect.

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  6. I agree with your views here but, I've heard a lot of the PPP's teachings and they have some very valid points, although I agree we should be very discerning about them. Fact remains we live in some very strange times and the ancient alien theory is very popular with secular and new agers. The UFO phenomena is here and not going away and the evidence for them is overwhelming. More people now believe in aliens than the Bible. What if the phenomena is real and I would love to know how you would explain this in light of Scripture. At least the PPP's (although of course I don't always agree with their teachings) are trying to figure this out instead of ignoring the problem like most churches. What is your view on aliens?

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    • Isela says:

      All you have to do is read from Isaiah and Ezekial, and it will make you wonder..Today we have photos, videos and technology that help give us the language to describe such things as those that the prophets of old could only understand through the lens of the time in which they lived.. I find it fascinating. Ultimately, only God knows, we are all just passing through with all of the trappings that make up the human race, we are both a tragedy and a majesty. I enjoy listening to Chuck's lectures, he dedicated his whole life to learning all he could about the history, origin, cultures and events that surrounded the prophets of the old testament as well as the new. That kind of dedication should not be dismissed.

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  7. Prunie says:

    I have always loved Chuck. He has gotten a tad metaphysical as of late. But I might throw out there, we are to let our light shine in dark places, and it is the sick that are in need of a doctor..paraphrasing there! Now if he starts promoting KC, and slobbering all over him, then I will get worried.

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  8. Sheryl says:

    Birds of a feather…

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  9. @bpblog2 says:

    Is Chuck Missler a 'Pastor'? I clicked on the wiki-link but didn't see any references to him being a pastor anywhere.

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    • Corey Carmickle says:

      He has never claimed to be a Pastor. He leads a bible study in Post Falls ID and intentionally choses a day where traditionally no one is having church meetings, because he does not want anyone to miss gathering with their usual place of worship.

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  10. Missler speaks anywhere as long as they don't edit or censor his content. At the end of this event, Clement admitted that Chuck's teaching led him to change his postmillennial view of prophecy, a key component of the NAR's unbiblical belief in the need to reclaim the Earth before Jesus can return.
    Yes, Clement is a false prophet, and the teachings of the NAR are among the most dangerous false doctrines that have found their way into American evangelicalism. But as "Prunie" noted above, unless Chuck endorses and promotes Clement, how does that indict him? The logical fallacy of guilt by association? Was Paul wrong for associating with the pagans on Mars Hill, teaching rather than rebuking or smashing statues?
    The DRG has done some good work, but their fixation on Chuck Missler and others it has tagged as members of the so-called Postmodern Prophetic Paradigm is puzzling. They are apparently unable or unwilling to differentiate between attempting to offer biblical responses to "ancient aliens", esoteric physics, and other New Age lies and promoting those demonic doctrines.

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    • Annie Wine says:

      Well said Derek! Chuck Missler is the smartest Christian around. It amazes me that God gave so much knowledge and intellect to one person and I for am grateful that he uses it to further the Kingdom. I love to hear him speak.

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    • Guilt by association in the bible:"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." 2 John 1; 9-11
      "what fellowship has light with darkness" 2 Cor. 6; 14
      "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" Amos 3; 3
      Paul did not 'associate' with the pagans, he preached to them.

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    • Barb says:

      I watched his teaching at Kim Clements Church(on line and was concerned at first too)and Kim Clement said "his wife kept pushing him to listen to Chuch Missler" which he did,~ he had implied he was going thru a difficult time~he Like you said Mr Gilbert Kim Clement changed his view of teaching and wanted his church to hear the truth. Mr Missler was the same refreshing Bible thumping preacher as I have known him to be~~and yes the smartest one in the room. Nothing to fear hear He is just helping the Kingdom straighten up itself. Thank you Derik Gilber well said!! Chuck Missler is a legend along with Hal Lindsey and he has not changed his stance on anything~`as far as angels, demons he has preched about Genesis Ch 6 for as long as I can remember and if you all remember what he says, "never believe what Chuck Missler says, Search Scripture for yourself," shame on all of us to put such a burden on any man, we are all responsible for standing before GOD and none of us can blame anyone if we get it wrong!!!!!

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    • chris M says:

      I just recieved a copy of "UPDATE" Missler's monthly mag. He's promoting KC BIGtime!!!!! Be very afraid!!

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  11. Ms. Brenda says:

    It's always unwise to name names, in my opinion. Chuck Missler is an excellent Bible teacher, and I find this blog post & some of the replies somewhat troubling, if not slanderous. Yes, we do need to be able to enter into this type of theological discussion, as well as discern good doctrine from bad, but it doesn't need to be personal. Chuck Missler's discussions about issues that some would call "metaphysical", are worth having. As the author of the Supernatural World View, Chris Putnam has indicated that we need to be able to give a Christian based answer to those who hold to a secular supernatural worldview, which seems to be held by many in our society. 2 Corin. 4:18 "So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." Besides, as Christians, aren't we supposed to maintain a supernatural worldview? If the Gospel is anything, it is certainly supernatural! Remember, to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is serious business, and since we don't know exactly what that sin involves, perhaps erring on the side of caution would be in order. I'd recommend coming down on the side of truth AND grace, and try to abstain from personal attacks, but that's just me….Once again, as believers in JESUS CHRIST, one of our crucial tasks should be to discover for ourselves and teach others, how to "rightly divide the word of truth". We can and must strive to do this without denigrating our Brethren. That being said, I appreciate the doctrinal discussion. 🙂

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    • Karen says:

      So thankful people name names here Ms. Brenda, for I do not want to follow false teachers and preachers in leading me away from the truth of God's Word, Jesus Christ. We are commanded to reveal the unfruitful works of darkness.

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      • josh says:

        So you depend on other men giving out names? What happened to being led by the Holy Spirit? Don't listen to men. Test the spirits. Pray about something if you are unsure. Look at the their fruit.

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      • standupwi says:

        A teacher's fruit is not just his humility, but his doctrine. Compare it to Scripture like the Bereans did.

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      • look at their fruit? led by The Holy Spirit? how much time do you have to study someone and not risk being deceived in the process? Ever consider the Holy Spirit provided you with a name namer? PAUL NAMED NAMES. if you read your Bible carefully like a whole Epistle at a time you would know this. People deceived by Clement and others pray about it and get discernment, if you don't have the gift of discerning spirits you will deceive yourself.

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    • Not in my opinion, since Paul the apostle named names. (Alexander the coppersmith) and so did the apostle John:"I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church." 3 John 1; 10
      So it is you who is in error. We are to name names and call them out. We are to expose false teachings and teachers. Whether they are or are not 'brethren' isn't even relevant since we can only judge their fruit, and we are told to judge inside the church (again, apostle Paul). A simple google search will yield the rest of the sources here. ( :

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    • Bronwen says:

      I agree with you. I've listened to Chuck talking about some of the supernatural stuff and apart from big words that he is so familiar with, it was enlightening and alarming. He was issuing a warning and demonstrating the fulfilment if scripture.From previous comments, I'm alarmed at the unfounded judgement that been heaped on this enlightened teacher who has brought scripture to life for me, always pointing to the wonder of God and the truth of His word.

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      • Missler, Horn, Marzulli, et. al. are way off track with this nephilim nonsense. study herescope.com on them and I have some comments in the older section of http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com the modern alien hybrids are weak and pathetic, not giants or heroes. it takes a couple of generations of breeding to pass more or less as human and they are vulnerable. THIS IS NOT WHAT GENESIS 6DESCRIBES. Also, "as in the days of Noah" is taken out of context. ALWAYS READ 20 VERSES PRIOR AND 20 VERSES AFTER THE HALF SENTENCE THROWN AT YOU. What Jesus said characterized those days, was that the evil doers were living life as usual not expecting the Flood. it will come on THEM as a snare, while they are persecuting us in the tribulation we will be calculating the months to go in the 3 1/2 years, and then in a week or two window Jesus will come back.

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      • Watcher says:

        Hi Christine, When do you start counting?

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    • Watcher says:

      Thank you Ms. Brenda. Finally somebody pointed back to truth. I like a good discussion but it needs points to be a discussion. I listen to Chuck and there is evidence of strange things. We are here. 😉 Isn't that enough. No really, it was getting really old trying to see the actual issue with Chuck on this thread. If there are arguments against a teaching then I'm there and will study up on it. That is precisely why I like Chuck. It is this locked in, blinders set mindset that makes me avoid church the last year. We really need to keep our eyes open and be watching.

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    • I so enjoy listening to Mr. Missler when I have the chance. It is so reassuring to listen and realize that it makes sense in many ways. I told my pastor the other day that I believed that God was able to move through time and that was why He was able to have the Holy Spirit give the words to mankind resulting in the bible being written by man for mankind. We have been given the ability to have a written history of our creation by a being that has no restrictions of time, or place. God has the ability to move about in time with no difficulty. We would never in a thousand years or a 1000 thousand years be able to have the ability to comprehend the ways and abilities of our creator God. In the bodies we have, they are only made for living on this world. Even astronauts needed special items to wear for outer space. So when we are chosen for the ones retrieved by Jesus to join Him when He comes for us, then we will see Him as he is and as we will be for our heavenly journey to the Kingdom of God Almighty forever. Then and only then will our minds realize that what use to be science fiction is in reality science fact with no limitation of dimensions and we will be as Jesus appears. Pray for as many as possible to hear the call from our God to be able to join Him in His heaven.

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  12. Chick Misler is a gifted and brilliant teacher of scripture and one of the voices we trust in these last days. Kim Clement may come wrapped in camel skins and eating locusts but he does hear from GOD. One must be careful when speaking against GODS anointed. Misler is a gift to the remnant. What are you doing to help, or draw the dying world to Christ… aside from taking pot shots in this forum? Do you witness daily? Weekly? Ever? Do you lead a study group? Fast? Both of these men have dedicated their lives to GOD, so yes they should do all that for free, and live on rainwater and criticism. sheesh.

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    • San Scorn says:

      Meredyth how do you know that Kim Clement hears from God–because he says so? If so, God has lost his ability to prognosticate. There are many documented “prophecies” made by Clement that did not come to pass. You need to review Deuteronomy 18:20-22, seriously.
      “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak , or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die . 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken ? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass , that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken , but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.” If you’re one of those that disregards the Hebrew scriptures then at least listen to the warnings made by Jesus himself in Matthew 7:15-23 and other places.
      Your complete lack of discernment is frightening and a sad indicator of what is all to common in the church today. As far as Clement coming wrapped in camel skins(?), try maybe a fur coat. This is straight from the Ministry Watch website under “Donor Alerts”:
      Clement’s claim to prophecy and extra-biblical revelation is outside historical orthodoxy. Most disturbing is that Clement never claims that he must be 100
      percent accurate. In addition, per its 2009 IRS from 990, combined salary of
      $844,172 going to Kim, his wife and brother-in-law. And $162,217 in assets going from Prophetic Image Expressions to the “Kim Clement Center” which is designated as a “church”, and thus not subject to transparency. 2008 combined salary of more than half a million dollars to Kim Clement. 2007 combined salary of more than a million dollars to Kim Clement. Also hundreds of thousands of dollars going from Prophetic Image Expressions to Secrets Hollywood: “The House of the Prophet” which has been stated as the new prophetic outreach being built by Kim Clement, which is also designated a “church”.
      You show your ignorance when you use a reference regarding speaking against God’s anointed. Please read it in context so that you’ll realize that it related to David harming Saul after Saul had been anointed by God via Samuel. You cannot just take any verse out of context (although many of these “prophets” do.
      Also there’s a difference between making a living and fleecing the sheep.
      Lastly, what does someone taking Missler to task for this association have to do with whether they witness or lead a Bible study!
      I liked Missler but I won’t purchase another item from him after this.

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  13. Meredyth says:

    Chick Misler is a gifted and brilliant teacher of scripture and one of the voices we trust in these last days. Kim Clement may come wrapped in camel skins and eating locusts but he does hear from GOD. One must be careful when speaking against GODS anointed. Misler is a gift to the remnant. What are you doing to help, or draw the dying world to Christ… aside from taking pot shots in this forum? Do you witness daily? Weekly? Ever? Do you lead a study group? Fast? Both of these men have dedicated their lives to GOD, so yes they should do all that for free, and live on rainwater and criticism. sheesh.

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  14. I agree with those who support Chuck. I have had other great Bible teachers go 'off the rails' for a time and have dropped them from my teachers list, perhaps Chuck will also fall victim but not at this point. He is always interesting but admittedly on some occasions not convincing. Discernment and a good understanding of Scripture helps.Reader pointed out Genesis 6:4 as an answer to Paula Southworth dogmatic statement "Aliens or demons, never mated with women". I would recommend Paula check out the phrase 'sons of God'. It refers only to angelic beings.

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    • I used to listen to him 25 years ago and mostly it was good. But as of late he has gone off the rails. Do what you want, and so will we. Uniting with Clement is definitely bad fruit. A simple google search will yield more. I choose not to be an ostrich.( :

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      • kay says:

        I've read many commentaries on Genesis 6 from old-time Bible commentators, and NONE of them say that Angels or demons had relations with women! That is a "new" idea. The bible scholars of that era explain that the "sons of God" were the godly line of Seth, who were, at that time in Genesis 6, going astray and mixing with the ungodly seed of Cain. Once the holy seed mixes itself with the unholy, once comprise is complete and there is no pure remnant on earth,, nothing remains but destruction. Let us hear what the Spirit is saying.

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      • rosinavoz says:

        You are right, Kay. I got caugh upt in the nephilium teaching for a while. It seems to lead to conspiracy teachings associated with End Times…half breed men/angels wrecking havoc on the earth just before Christ's return. I heard Sarah Leslie give a presentation on this false teaching and it opened my eyes. It is not what the Bible teaches. Why would God call fallen angels (demons!) 'sons of God'. When they rebelled against Him, they became His enemies. How can they be called 'sons'. Just doesn't make sense.

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      • Watcher says:

        Yes, Kay, that is what they say but have you studied it. Where is the evidence that it was from Seth. Just because it is from Dallas Theological Center doesn't mean it is right. I have really had to study for myself because where there is disagreement, somebody is wrong. I'm talking mutually exclusive disagreement. The other thing to study is "sons of God'. And all the flesh was corrupt. Not just humans. Something to think about.
        And no, some of this isn't the difference between heaven and hell but if it is in scripture then it is there for us to study. Yes?
        Something else to think about in relation to "Sons of God" is Nebby's vision of the feet being of materials that do not mix. In this you have to be careful of which version of the bible text you read.
        I will never go back to so so so so so many things I believed based on the common understand in mainline churches.
        Ha! Be mindful of the yeast of the Pharasees (sp?) huh.
        Son's of God is the genetic line – they were not son's of men. If it meant means human then why use 'daughters of …(drumroll) men'.
        Seems that we just can't have it both ways.
        Do the posters here still consume the Left Behind Series and Purpose Driven Church?
        I saw a reference telling somebody to 'google it' but by googling it we learn that Jesus never existed so really? We need to do better than that.

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  15. Mary says:

    What if Kim Clement is a prophet of God and you have judged him not to be? Where is Scripture Alone in the written Word? There is more to God's revelation than is found in the written Word, holy Scripture. First came Tradition, the oral Word of God. Prophecy which makes God's Word explicit is another example.
    A help, an example…
    Sola Scriptura believers accept two basics of Christianity, must be believed words NOT written in Scripture. Trinity is one, incarnation another example.
    God is going to unite Christianity soon and non-Christians who convert, alleluia! When? On "that great day"
    of Revelation 6:17, the Day of the Lord so says prophecy. All the world, except for very holy people will
    wish to hide, for the rocks to fall on us when God shows each of us the state of our souls.
    The "awakening" is close.
    Mary

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    • Karen says:

      Mary, Kim Clement is not a prophet from our LORD, but a false prophet and a wolf in sheep's clothing. I too was duped and conned by a group of powerful women in a charismatic church into believing the lies from the New Apostolic Reformation as well as the International House of Prayer false theology. I have been there and done all of that, with our faith and beliefs hinged on every word of so called new prophecies that came out of these people's mouths. I did NOT compare their teachings to the Word of God for quite some time as I thirsted for fellowship and as a result, gave my mind over to these religious authoritarians whose evangelism skills are quite polished.
      I fell hook, line, and sinker for these liar's teachings and when I became ill, the Holy Spirit led me to His Word, rather than seeking out other men and women's teachings. The fruits were a deeper and closer relationship with our true Shepherd, Jesus Christ. His Word of prophecy is Holy, Pure, and True, unlike the self proclaimed false prophets and prophetesses of our day. Did not Jesus ask, "Who do you think I am?"
      Jesus is our True Prophet and He is coming back again. Alleluia and Amen.

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      • godsfingers says:

        Hi Karen,
        Perhaps you can explain, for the gentle, the difference between a prophet and the gift of prophecy, or what an apostle is for that matter ( I'll be going to touch on David Taylor later). And touch on the difference between a prophecy, a word of knowledge and a word of wisdom. It seems so much of this is lost in the discussions because they seem to be ruled by rock throwing cessationists. I'm not defending the guys above, I have no idea who they are, in fact I've never heard of most of the names that come through here. That's why I appreciate Amy doing the homework and I can do further vetting, we're Watchmen on the Wall. But some need to understand that watchmen can see both sides of the wall and are watchful of the bad coming over the horizon, but also that which masks itself behind the wall.
        I'm amazed at how the champion rock throwers know so much about all these odd folks, I don't have that much time, doing the Lord's business, to have that much information on someone else's business. Brannon Howse has a similar but more intense work, but he has been exposed at actually picking on, literally everyone, that doesn't stick to his RT beliefs; especially when he gets exposed as supporting clearly unbiblical perspective. The same happens here, busy with rocks in hand, throwing, throwing, they believe they are deflecting the truth. If they'd spend as much time studying the Bible ( sans the KJV ) they, through the Holy Spirit, might wake up some day, like Martin Luther, and announce, "Hey, my theology is wrong". Too scary a thought for some.

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      • rosinavoz says:

        Great comment, Karen….so true!

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    • Kim Clement is not a prophet of God. She said that pope francis was 'God's chosen.' Newsflash: he's not. Jesus is God's chosen. Pope francis tells people a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous. Kim likes the pope, and Missler is joining with Kim. You do the math. I do believe in the gifts for today, but the revelation must line up with scripture. Plus, the Trinity is in the bible, just not the word. I have all the verses to prove it. God came in the flesh as it says (John 1), they didn't use that word though.

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    • No, God is not going to unite Christianity with anything else, that is an abomination. Those truly getting saved are already uniting with true Christianity upon their conversion. There is the Halellujah and nowhere else. No, not on that great day, but since Pentecost until the end. It's called salvation via the gospel via the great commission. Last 2000 years. The verses are twisted. The "awakening" is not close, but the "apostasy" is! Here is the timeline: apostasy (called revival), one world religion and unity with all (called great awakening), one world government (called dominionist theology), all under the antichrist (called 'God's chosen' by those paving the way for antichrist), those who don't unite will be persecuted and martyred (called the 'cleansing' in NAR circles), and then comes the end; judgment, destruction and wrath and Jesus returns (who needs no one's permission to do so) to set up HIS kingdom, which only HE can do. Please, do not be deceived!!!

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  16. berlorac says:

    Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God [Godly line of Seth] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose….4 the nephilim [Hebrew = "fallen ones"] were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men which were of old, the men of renown.
    The simple explanation is in brackets above. This interpretation is corroborated by the Scriptures themselves which tell us that "sons of God" can either be those who are righteous in God's sight (Matthew 5:9; Luke 20:36; Romans 8:14, 19; Galatians 3:26), or unfallen angels (as referenced in Job), but never FALLEN angels.
    Angels are spirits; they have no bodies. Their appearances on earth are not INCARNATIONS, but only spirits who have taken on the appearance of men. Furthermore, angels are sexless (Matthew 22:30), so even when they took on the appearance of men when on earth, they could not procreate. Therefore, it is impossible that fallen angels could have mated with women.
    Nephilim is translated as "giants" in Numbers; however, it can also be translated as "men of renown" to be feared. In any case, the very fact that there were nephilim AFTER the Flood proves that nephilim were not offspring of fallen angels. The nephilim prior to the Flood were wiped out with the Flood; therefore, the nephilim spoken of as existing AFTER the Flood must been born after the Flood. In order for Missler's theory to hold water (no pun intended), there would have to have been another invasion of fallen angels coming down from the heavens after the Flood, intermingling with women on earth.
    These are just a couple of problems with Missler's theory. It seems to me it's better to just take the simplest interpretation, which, by the way, comports with the general message of the Scriptures that those who belong to God are not to intermingle with this fallen world.

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    • godsfingers says:

      curious berlorac, where did you get that angels are sexless from Matt 22:30? It says no such thing, that's a lot of inference on your part. That verse is on the same plain as what I explain to folks who can't wait to get to heaven and see so and so. Sorry to break the bubble but you won't even know who so and so is and won't even care, all eyes will be on Jesus.
      As far as the Nephilim goes I steer away from it. It's much more sensationalism, the pope's looking for aliens, all the more reason for me to ignore it. I got caught up in Derek Princes "pre-adamic race" teachings decades ago and the position, for me, is that it does nothing to further the kingdom of Christ, but causes disputes, for which I have little time.

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    • BeardedOne says:

      “Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God [Godly line of Seth] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose….”
      OK. Let's look a bit more closely.
      So the male descendants of Seth after a time noticed the desirability of the daughters of Adam's other male offspring (usually stated to be the daughters of Cain's line, because the proponents forget that Adam had multiple sons).
      Up until that time, the descendants of Seth either lived in isolation (the proponents of that thought often say in the high country while the “children of men” lived on the plains), or practiced a form of racial discrimination.
      The latter would have involved Seth marrying his sister (necessary), Seth's sons marrying their sisters, their sons marrying their sisters or cousins, and so on for a number of generations. Then suddenly, lo and behold, Seth's male descendants realise that the ladies in Cain's ungodly line have their charms, and break ranks. (The daughters of Adam's other sons are conspicuously not mentioned.)
      An interesting theory.
      However, I find nowhere in Scripture any statement that Seth's descendants were in any way a Godly line. In fact, all but one man and his family were wiped out in the flood.
      Nor do I find anywhere in Scripture that says that the line of Cain was in any way evil or cursed.
      In fact, Jude 1:6 defines who the “sons of God” were in Genesis 6:2.
      God chose Noah because he met three qualifications:
      He was a just man;
      He was perfect in his generations; (no trace of non-human DNA)
      He walked with God.
      Our Saviour had to have purely human DNA, otherwise he could not have fulfilled that function.
      In our day we are aware of genetic modification and its dangers. In the case of the cats that glow in the dark because of foreign DNA, they look like cats, they move like cats, they meow likes cat – for all intents and purposes, they are cats. Yet they would be barred from normal cat shows because of their cat-alien DNA.

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  17. Son's of God, Son of God, children of God all have one thing in common, they are a direct creation of God, procreation has nothing to do with it. Adam is classified as the son of God in Luke 3:38. Jesus of Nazareth is stated to be the Son of God in so many passages I won't bother to mention any. Christians are children of God by means of the new birth Ephesians 2:10, and angels are clearly stated as being sons of God in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. All angels good or bad were a direct creation of God and Satan is mentioned as being amongst (admittedly not 'of') the 'sons of God' who presented themselves before God. The 'Godly line of Seth' argument just does not hold water, however I am old and tired and others have done a far better job than I could, so I will leave it to the likes of Missler to give you the full doctrine… if you are willing to hear him out..

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    • Leo McMaster says:

      Brian, the angels are not the sons of God, that is a completely unscriptural view. This view that angels mated with women is based on nothing but inconclusive evidence and sensationalism. A few reasons why the angels are not the sons of God –
      – Deuteronomy 32:6,7 – The Israelites call God father. If God is the
      father, his male children are His sons.
      – 2 Samuel 7:14 says "I will be his father, and he shall be my son"
      talking about king Soloman, if so, you can't make an irrational case
      saying that Soloman is a son of God, and not David, Benaiah, Jacob,
      and the pre-flood believers. I've heard it said that this verse is
      talking about Jesus aswell, you still can't deny it's talking about
      Soloman so my argument still stands.
      – The phrase "sons of Belial" is used to denote worshippers of Belial,
      the same phrase is used to denote those who worship God.
      – There is no mention of God repenting in Genesis 6 for having created
      the angels, in Genesis 3 all parties get punished for their rebellion
      against God, you only read about God repenting that He made man in
      Genesis 6. I believe God would have said something about the angels if
      they were the problem.
      – Deuteronomy 28 lists God's chastening, Hebrews is clear that God
      does not chasten bastards. If God chastened the Israelites, and they
      weren't his sons, then what you have is God chastening bastards in the
      Old Testament.
      I hate to sound condescending, but before entering this debate, please
      shed all preconceived notions. It is very easy for us to develop
      allegiances to certain teachers, and then make what we read in the
      scriptures fit that teacher's "system" no matter how heavy the
      evidence to the contrary is.
      When it says it in Job 1:6 about the sons of God presenting themselves
      before God, I actually think Job was among that gathering of men, for
      instance, I present myself before God every Sunday at church, it was
      like that. they presented themselves before God.
      King James Bible
      For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
      this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
      and he shall be to me a Son? – Hebrews 1:5
      Please read all of Hebrews 1, the sons of God and angels are not the same thing. Angels are ministering spirits, not sons.
      I hope this helps.
      Shalom

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    • Leo McMaster says:

      Brian, the angels are not the sons of God, this view stands on nothing but inconclusive evidence and sensationalism. A few reasons why the angels are not the sons of God are as follows.
      – Deuteronomy 32:6,7 – The Israelites call God father. If God is the father, his male children are His sons.
      – 2 Samuel 7:14 says "I will be his father, and he shall be my son" talking about king Soloman, if so, you can't make an irrational case saying that Soloman is a son of God, and not David, Benaiah, Jacob,
      and the pre-flood believers. I've heard it said that this verse is talking about Jesus aswell, you still can't deny it's talking about Soloman so my argument still stands.
      – The phrase "sons of Belial" is used to denote worshippers of Belial, the same phrase is used to denote those who worship God.
      – There is no mention of God repenting in Genesis 6 for having created the angels, in Genesis 3 all parties get punished for their rebellion against God, you only read about God repenting that He made man in Genesis 6. I believe God would have said something about the angels if they were the problem.
      – Deuteronomy 28 lists God's chastening, Hebrews is clear that God does not chasten bastards. If God chastened the Israelites, and they weren't his sons, then what you have is God chastening bastards in the
      Old Testament.
      I hate to sound condescending, but before entering this debate, please shed all preconceived notions. It is very easy for us to develop allegiances to certain teachers, and then make what we read in the scriptures fit that teacher's "system" no matter how heavy the evidence to the contrary is.
      When it says it in Job 1:6 about the sons of God presenting themselves
      before God, I actually think Job was among that gathering of men, for instance, I present myself before God every Sunday at church, it was like that. they presented themselves before God.
      King James Bible
      For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? – Hebrews 1:5
      Please read Hebrews 1, Hebrews 1 is clear that the sons of God and angels are not the same thing.
      I hope this helps.
      Shalom

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  18. Re my last comment. I will just add this interesting scripture…"And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so (1Kings 22:20-22).
    WHO was this lying spirit? A fallen angel perhaps, and having access to the throne of God?????

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  19. Roberta says:

    Thank-you berlorac, for you have rightly divided the truth of God's Word. It is my understand that much of the false Word of Faith doctrines from examples such as Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, and the like originate from such "serpent seed" doctrines where spirits have intercourse with people (human flesh.)
    Pastor Dean Good has an interesting series on how the false "church" will lead in ushering in the "new world order" under the guise of claiming this is true Christianity and those of us who do not fall for this lie, perhaps will be martyred for our faith in Jesus. He is not one of these celebrity preachers, nor claims to be "a prophet for profit" , so his series benefits him not.

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  20. I agree with what Roberta said in that last paragraph.
    Google how Kim Clement called pope Francis 'God's chosen.' That is not something a true Christian could say. She also said that some new 'manuscripts' would be surfacing. I wonder what will be in them…? Hmm.
    BTW: Jesus is God's chosen!
    I beseech you all to read 2 Thessalonians 2; 1-12. Please, it is important to get end times prophecy straight. The antichrist will rise over a one world religion, government, and currency. Those who don't unite and submit will be executed. Revelation 12; 11. Those are the true saints. We cannot unite with error, sin, apostasy, and abominations. Even upon threat of death. Just don't say no one ever told you.

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  21. Doug says:

    Christian brothers and sisters wake up!This website says become a watchman.
    On 11 9 the ENDING of the Cold War occured (fall of the Berlin Wall).
    On 9 11 the BEGINNING of the War on Terror started. You are now taken to the central day of these two points on the timeline. The Central (TeneT) day is 10-10-1995 – The Feast of Tabernacles. The feast is symbolic for many things. One of them is The Feast of Ingathering. Through these two events of time The Almighty has spoken REV 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. A few caveats for this 10-10 phenomena.. Central Intelligence Directors name George Tenet. Yul Bryner died on 10-10. God divided the Red sea before your eyes and you couldn't see it. You see it now though… Repent, seek the Lord with all your heart and he will be found of you….

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  22. Doug says:

    The name of the Almighty is Jesus.

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  23. Helen says:

    What is going on right now

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  24. Monica says:

    Here is Chuck Missler talking on the relationship with Kim Clement https://youtu.be/AUN1hmcG1Zc?t=52m start at about minute 52.

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  25. The Old Indie says:

    Chuck Missler, like everyone else, is caught in the maelstrom of exponentially increasing knowledge (Dan. 12:4), which includes new knowledge related to Scriptures (e.g., toss out your abominably Rosicrucian-mistranslated KJV and get thee to a Bullinger Companion Bible).
    The one area where Bullinger also has a science gap is in the field of genetics (due to his 19th Century vacuum re the mid-20th discovery of DNA); hence, he devotes an entire appendix (of which there are 198 and are otherwise instructive) to the false notion that demons had sexual intercourse with natural women. For better dissertations on ancient bioengineering, read Zecharia Sitchin's The 12th Planet and Genesis Revisited, translations and analyses of Sumerian texts (his later works are thought-train-wrecks). Sitchin admits that the Sumerian "gods", that "dictated" their story of how they "created" humans, were"fallen angels"; however, as he demonstrates, none of those "gods" were able to take possession of even lower animals (presumably during the 5th and early 6th "Days" of Creation) for the purpose of passing on their intellect via genome transfer, i.e., the "life is in the blood" and demons didn't come equipped and discovered early that there is NO path to transferring demonic "spirit" into animal blood.
    Satan, as the smartest guy who wasn't omnipresent/omnipotent/omniscient (required for the Highest power of Creation), had extreme mind (NOT brain) cramps over figuring out DNA sequencing (which Missler points out w/the "secret" to disproving evolution [NOT a theory b/c unfalsifiable] … do the math, my position since 1965 after listening to Dr. James Watson prove he was crazy by preferring the 1/1018 probability of life emerging from an unknowable primordial ooze to Creation, which probability is actually 1/infinity times 1/infinity times 1/infinity, ad infinitum, or ZERO, impossible, doing the math).
    After the wipe-out of all those misbegotten experiments (which resulted in some bizarre outcomes), Elohim using the flood that inundated the earth circa ~10,000 B.C. (the Flood of "heroic" demon-straggler Gilgamesh, usually conflated w/the Flood of Noah by pagan-lovers of fantasy).
    The takeaway, after the demon getaway, was that bioengineering females was beyond Satan's sub-omniscient state (the X-chromosome is not only doubled in female genomes, but is also quantumly ultra-complicated by the X-chromosome being the single strand in the mitochondria that control EVERY cell function, male or female).
    The so-called fruits of the so-called Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil were, as suggested, good knowledge, the knowledge of Creation, and evil knowledge, the knowledge of messing w/the building blocks of life, the DNA, via swapping human genes for non-human genes. Playing w/Creation power would have caused instant death thru the annihilation of the entire body by interaction w/antimatter (Creation was entirely based on segregating the antimatter of divine energy from matter of divine energy in the "He-said/He-saw" couplets; see, e.g., YHWH hiding behind a screen so Moses wouldn't go POOF!). Messing w/DNA would NOT cause instantaneous death, but resulted in ALL the degenerative effects that cause eventual death.
    The only problem was the so-called Tree of Life, which was/is the biological process whereby the Hayflick Limit (cells can only regenerate 50 times) was reset to zero whenever that T-o-L process was utilized; hence, Eden's Gate was blocked to prohibit accessing the T-o-L Hayflick Limit reset button, the Hayflick Limit being the allegorical "flaming sword" blockage.
    The proof that, while Eve was seduced, she, in turn, had to con Adam into cooperating, was that otherwise Cain (the mutant product of original sin, via the corruption of Adam's Y-chromosome) would have been sterile unless Eve's X-chromosome was tweaked slightly; the Y-chromosome, known now to be full of "junk" DNA, is the consequence of that corruption via original biotech sin. Eve's triumphant response was to name this offspring (not the 1st) "I have created" with the help of, not Elohim, but the "sons of el" or demons, fallen angels, as shown by Sitchin.
    There is therefore no need for any kind of Jurassic-Park tech to resurrect the giants of old … the junked-up genome is still lurking in the Y-chromosome of most males (all the giant spawn of Cain were NOT eliminated by the Flood of Noah b/c they were NOT "men that [Elohim had] created" but were unnatural mutants that He had NOT created; those remnants of the Cain mutiny survived on the last vestige of real estate of the now-sunken in the Eastern MedSea (during the Red Sea crossing, providing that drying blast), the former island continent of Atlantis, nka Crete, the base of the Carians, progenitors of Judas Ish'Cariot, man of the Carians. All that's needed to ramp the Cain genome back to full strength is … well, it's already being done by sports witch-docs who poke/prod/provoke specific genes to create monster athletes, who also have very antisocial criminal tendencies, like the giant-rapists of old (e.g., the gene that causes eruptions of violence when certain ordinary nutrients are lacking).

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    • Karlie Redd says:

      Wow that was a lot of typing for nothing, I bet I'm the only one who read it! Maybe they did and just don'y feel like being drained disputing you. I found it boring and interesting at the same time. But I don't believe it lol

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  26. Dan says:

    The world end time religion will be Islamic. Kim Clement is a heretic.

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  27. David says:

    I've just become interested in studding Prophecy this last year. Everyone seems to hold that Jesus' return will be soon. In looking at Jer., Dan., Ez. 36, God has said that all of Israel's land will be returned, cities rebuilt, land laid waist irrigated, Cedar trees replanted, living in safety, in un-walled cities, at piece, the envy of the world & the remnant will return.All of these events take a lot of time, and so far the all of the ancient land is not in Israel's borders as you know that includes Jordon, Egypt to the Nile river, northern part of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, West Bank, & Palestine. I took Psalm 83 as a payer or lament, Ezekiel 36 – 41, God will accomplish on His time table as He says in Rev. when the sixth seal is opened, that it will be a-little long until all that were Ordained are gathered under His Throne. It would seem to me that the Earth is only passed the opening of the 2nd Seal, and for all Prophecy's that "must" be fulfilled before the antichrist's show up and the Witnesses still will need a Temple rebuilt. Just some thoughts.

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    • Guest says:

      Hello David'
      It is due to the very reasons that you suggested, and a few more, that I am no longer a Pre-Tribulation
      Rapture believer. Prophecy teachers, and many so called Christian ministers, are either intentionally
      misleading people, or are unable to properly decipher God's word. Their eschatology skills are nil.
      The bible prophecy books are referring to a time that is AFTER Jesus returns to set up His kingdom
      on earth. It is then, that the true scattered Jewish remnant will return, and the true temple of God will be rebuilt. The Israel that is in existence now, is not the REAL deal. The abomination that makes the temple desolate could possibly be a temple that will be built at the behest of the antichrist.
      Another misinterpreted bible verse is Matthew 24:5. "For many shall come in my name, saying, I AM THE CHRIST, and shall lead many astray. Many people think Jesus was saying there will be false
      claims to the title of Christ/Messiah. Many translations use single quotes over the 'I am the christ' portion
      of the statement, when in fact, I believe, Jesus was saying that many false teacher/ministers will agree
      that Jesus is the Christ, (in order to gain people's trust) but, will in fact be wolves in sheep's clothing;
      leading people astray with false doctrine.
      I do believe in the Rapture of the Church. However, now I am leaning towards the mid-tribulation
      time frame.
      Good Catch, David
      A sister In Christ Jesus

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  28. paulpratt873 says:

    Clement actually admitted that he knew nothing of Eschatology. He said that he has turned to Chuck for help and is learning more about the entire bible in the process. He has admitted he is wrong. Which is why Chuck is supporting him, his humility in the matter. In the matter of plagiarism, Missler has apologized for any wrong doing and corrected all the matters. He can admit when he is wrong.People have a tendency to take one thing Chuck says from a snippet of this or that discovered on the internet and run with it, never reviewing the bulk of his material and teachings. He isn't correct on everything and admits that. He says: "this is my view, go check it out for yourself" on virtually every issue.
    Internet Christians have an almost pornographic drive in wanting to tear other christians down in public forums. If you want to call out a specific Christian by name, contact them and talk with them privately and express what your concerns are. Have a conversation with THEM, not "us" out here, we have no bearing on the situation, other than helping the originator of this article start a virtual lynch mob.
    As one mentioned the only thing we are going to get from google is the results of "jesus doesn't exist we are all wrong." This issue needs to be resolved amongst peers outside of the internet, especially if we are to maintain our faith, as a church, going into an uncertain and possibly hostile future.

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    • San Scorn says:

      Paul, Paul, Paul–I have no problem with the guy admitting anything if he would just admit HE’S NOT A PROPHET! Someone who claims to be a teacher is held to a higher standard-how much more someone who claims to be a prophet. The Word of God has serious words about people claiming to be prophets but who are not. How can he be a prophet and not know anything about eschatology! Also his financial dealings landed him on the Ministry Watch website because of the outlandish salaries being paid to his relatives.
      This is exactly the situation that the apostle Peter addresses in 2 Peter 2, please read that as well as the other scripture I posted above. People need to start reading the Bible for themselves and let the Holy Spirit give them guidance and stop turning to these frauds for teaching!

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  29. Steve says:

    I suggest if you are really interested in the Missler – Clement relatinship, you watch this YouTube video:

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  30. Lorrie Rutkowski says:

    Let me know

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  31. Unknown says:

    These guys are right on – I worked for Chuck for several years (not sure why I stayed so long) – he just likes being sensational and making money from it. You would not believe the amount of plagiarism in his materials – most of it has gone unnoticed – sad. Now he has started his New Zealand "enterprise" – which is a for profit company, but he plays it off as a ministry.

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  32. Will Russell says:

    It's a simple matter of breaking the code: NAR is, in reality, the NRA – and both are truly prophetic. Missler & Clement – what a great combo. Ya'll have way too much time on your hands.

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  33. Manny P. says:

    More of the same, two men, just men….making money off the gullible. Haven't you people read your bibles?! How long will you keep following men? You have a clearly written bible, if you don't understand something you can ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and wisdom, you don't need to seek these fools. If Missler was once a true pastor of the sheep he isn't now, as for Klement, God's anointed?! Are you kidding me?! He comes clothed in camel fur?! Lol! People please stop being so ignorant! Pick up your bibles and read! As for UFO's really? Lights? Doesn't the bible say that Satan and demons can perform signs and wonders, that they can masquerade as ministers of light? People! Aliens are demons! Praying on the simple minded! There aren't other races living in other planets! If there were, who atoned for them? Did Jesus have to go to all these planets and be crucified over and over again?! NO!!!! Unbelievable how ignorance runs rampant in the body!

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  34. Sylvia says:

    Be careful who you call false prophets! You have major errors in your articles!!!!!

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  35. Manny1962 says:

    Given the times we live in, I'd say we better be careful who we call prophets. The bible explicitly says to test those that call themselves prophets and assume to speak for God. Given the track records of modern day prophets, I'd feel compelled to call a spade a spade.

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  36. Dave says:

    Based on a number of these posts Chuck Missler is doing a great job. If he was not, why is there so much animosity against this man of God. The enemy's of God always accuse the brethren.

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  37. Manny1962 says:

    "Based on a number of these posts" by those that obviously follow this "prophet." He is not doing a great job, and we are not the enemies of God, on the contrary the love of God compels to defend against those that presume to speak for Him, a Berean today, by that definition, would be an enemy of God, because they questioned and made sure a real prophet was speaking to them the words from God, not his (prophet's) imagination. Missler nor Clement speak for The Lord.

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  38. JP the Original says:

    Pharisees are individuals who act as though God appeared to them personally and assigned them to NEVER see the spiritual value in anybody or anything other than in their restrictive religious presumptions and traditions. They seem to enjoy crucifying the righteous to raise their own inflated egos. That's why Jesus REBUKED them since they are "…nullifying the Word of God as to make it of no effect. …"Most of the critics here are doing nothing for Jesus Christ and certainly have zero testimonies of the supernatural to prove God is backing them up, which we see throughout the Bible.
    Chuck and Kim could care less about anything you fools think, but more importantly they've have had more and continue to have more positive effect for God's purposes than any of you bozos could hope to even conceive of. Sorry…. But someone had to counter rebuke you guys.
    Go feed some orphans and widows and make yourself actually useful.

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  39. Manny1962 says:

    "Most of the critics here are doing nothing for Jesus Christ and certainly have zero testimonies of the supernatural to prove God is backing them up, which we see throughout the Bible"
    Prove it. That's judging without knowing.
    "Chuck and Kim could care less about anything you FOOLS think, but more importantly they've have had more and continue to have more pore positive effect for God's purposes than any of you BOZOS COULD HOPE TO EVEN CONCEIVE OF."
    Again, prove it. You're calling other Christians Fools and Bozos, is that what you've learned following these wolves?
    "Go feed some orphans and widows and make yourself actually useful"
    Again, you assume folks here don't do that, why is that? If you knew the definition of a Pharisee, you wouldn't be too quick to judge and mischaracterize those that don't agree with you. And better yet, call error when it's spread. At the end of the day, you should learn to read your bible, be more gracious and do yourself a favor, follow no man. Most likely you're just baiting people into an argument. You won't get it here, we pray for everyone, specially in this dark age we live in, the apostasy is from within, those that turn against us first, will come from within, "brotherly" persecution, followed by state persecution. I wish you well.

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  40. Isela says:

    I think God tells us to become like little children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because adults make things way more complicated than they need to be. We learn to much and in all that learning we get lost and in getting lost we loose sight of God and his fundamental message……

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  41. L.A. Morris says:

    All I can say is wow, no wonder we are not winning over the world, we continue to dog our own. Sad. Very sad!

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    • standupwi says:

      We win the world with the Gospel, and even then, only a few find the narrow path. Did you think we win the world when we are silent on problems and false teachings?

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  42. Manny1962 says:

    I hate to disappoint you, we are not going to win anything, we are not going to take over the world for Christ, we are not setting up an earthly kingdom for Jesus, we are to commit to the great commission, spread the gospel to the ends of the world…….. If someone proclaims to be speaking for God, it's your responsibility as a Christian to see what that "prophet" is proclaiming, and how it squares against The Word. There are many warnings against presuming to speak for God. We are not "dogging" our own, we are simply being Bereans. Given the errors and heresies being spouted by those in question, I would say, pick up scripture and check for yourself if it's not correct to call error error. If you haven't seen, the church is rife with false teachers, it's full of heresy and all of this was foretold it would take place in the last days………….. Maranatha!

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  43. Manny1962 says:

    Also, "our own" will be the first that will turn on bible believing Christians when the rubber hits the road. It's written that those within Christianity will fall away and turn on those that follow The Lord exclusively. It's already begun in a smaller scale, once it's produced fruit it'll be called The Great Apostasy.

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  44. Mike says:

    Chuck Missler loves God I believe but depends on intellect too much and the Holy Spirit too little. Such men will always drift into error. Clements prophecies about Pope Francis are alarming. As to Chuck Missler pray he allows The Lord to re-center him.

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  45. johannes3v16 says:

    So many different oppinions so many misued party book membership interpretations of the bible in favor of the antichrist jews.Missler is a friend of counterfeit israel which was founded and settled by terror by bolshevik jews.

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  46. Manny1962 says:

    Are you kidding. I won't even bother to begin with the fallacies in that statement. By the way, your statement sounds completely anti Semitic. If anyone has the energy go at it! LOL! Stay away from anti Semites, Jesus Christ was a Jew of the line of David. And as He said, "salvation is of the Jews," unless you want to argue with God?

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