Sid Roth, WND promote Soaking Prayer

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We need to warn our listeners/readers about the Contemplative Prayer practice known as the Soaking Prayer. A teacher by the name of Sid Roth has recently released a video featuring his interview of Julie True, a musician who instructs people on how to “soak in God’s presence,” in order to “be still and know that He is God.” (Psalm 46:10 is a verse often taken out of context by mystical meditation proponents).

soakingWhat in the world is a mystical, contemplative prayer video STILL doing on this site, in spite of personal and public pleas to remove this dangerous practice? We’ve been reporting about the dangers of something called “Soaking Prayer.” While it sounds like something Christians can practice safely, it is anything but safe. In fact, the Soaking Prayer practice contains spiritual elements that are not only not found in Scripture, but God’s Word warns us to avoid doing these things. Gaining popularity One of its biggest proponents is a man by the name of Sid Roth. Mr. Roth, whose television program It’s Supernatural, has been promoting on his own website since 2006 through multiple articles and videos. Yesterday, he doubled-down on this practice by uploading a new tutorial to YouTube. The How-To helps Christians get into a trance state in order to hear God’s voice: http://youtu.be/6kMX-5nWLfs soaking The “Soaking Prayer” is one of many Contemplative prayer practices that isn’t found in the Bible. It is designed to empty your mind, and was developed by the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, now known as Catch the Fire Toronto. This group also gave rise to the “Toronto Blessing” and many aberrant practices such as holy laughter, making animal sounds, and being drunk or paralyzed in the Spirit. Back in 2006, Roth’s ministry page featured the first of many articles and videos titled, Soaking In His Presence, a How-To on Soaking Prayer by John Arnott, senior pastor of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and host of the “Catch The Fire” television program. Arnott explains why you would need to listen to music and have a “catcher” volunteer positioned behind you, just in case you fall over while you empty your mind. At the end of the article, he encourages support for his vision:

I want to see hundreds of Catch the Fire “Soaking Prayer Centers” springing up around North America and the world. This is an opportunity for those who are hungry for the River and for more of the Lord’s presence to link with us and draw deeper into intimacy with God. …We are offering a starter kit to get you going right away. We also offer a one week training course in Toronto where we can train you and pray for an impartation of the Holy Spirit so you can begin.

Impartation? Are we not promised the Holy Spirit upon our conversion when He regenerates our souls from death to life? In an article titled, “Soaking: The Key to Intimacy with God”, writer Gary Oates recently wrote more on the supernatural realm we can experience, which is the goal of the Soaking Prayer:

During our soaking times, we position ourselves to receive impressions, nudges, quiet whispers, pictures, angelic visitations, and supernatural revelations. Here is a partial list of what to expect:

  • Dreams
  • Visions
  • Trances
  • Out of body experiences
  • Angelic visitations
  • Being transported in the Spirit

Experiencing the true intimate Presence of the living God will radically change your life. People describe His manifest Presence in different ways. To some, it is heat, electricity, or shaking. To others, it is lightness, peace, or weeping. Experiencing the manifest Presence is not the goal but the gateway to the supernatural realm. It’s the beginning. We go into the spirit realm where we can see Him, hear His voice, walk with Him, and be empowered by Him.

The Bible says we are to avoid sorcery, mysticism, divination and the like. Soaking prayer, listening prayer, theophostics, and other mystical exercises are part of the ”contemplative prayer” and contemplative spirituality, which can not be found anywhere in God’s Word. What does the Bible say about biblical prayer? It is simply talking to God with His will in mind (1 John 5:14). A biblically praying believer already understands that God’s presence is always with him (Psalm 139:7; Matthew 28:20; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Timothy 1:14).

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16 Responses to Sid Roth, WND promote Soaking Prayer

  1. thisheart says:

    Well, that's about as New Age as it comes ("Here is a partial list of what to expect:
    Dreams, Visions, Trances, Out of body experiences, Angelic visitations, Being transported in the Spirit") Another reason why I don't visit WND's site. The first is the constant fearmongering.

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    • Spirit Filled says:

      What's wrong with sitting still and waiting for God to speak to you? Do you ever just sit with your spouse, silently, mind blank, and just enjoy being together? What's the difference between this and that?

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      • Dreams
        Visions
        Trances
        Out of body experiences
        Angelic visitations
        Being transported in the Spirit

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      • Jenny says:

        God speaks through His word not by emptying your mind out. We are called to test every spirit. Dear brother, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1john 4:1
        Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

        This is not from God! Discernment is knowing truth from almost truth.

        Set your mind on ( not emptying out) things above, not on things of the earth.
        Colossians 3:2. Whatever is true,whatever in honorable,whatever is just,whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. These guys are new age occultist in sheepskin clothing. Wake up people from your slumber.

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      • Ima Believer says:

        1 John was and excellent choice of scriptures, Jenny!

        Along with Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

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  2. You wrote the "Scripture is sufficient". Jesus would beg to differ!

    "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40 ESV)

    We must come to him. If we stop short of this and think that Scripture is sufficient, we risk having become true of us what was true of those to whom Jesus spoke to on this occasion. Namely:

    "…you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent… But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me." (surrounding context – John 5:38, 42-43)

    Coming to him is to seek Jesus in prayer, abiding in his presence, experiencing him (yes, in supernatural ways – is God a supernatural being or not?).

    To fight against this is to find yourself fighting against God.

    You wrote: "The “Soaking Prayer” isn’t found in the Bible, but it was designed to empty your mind and experience the Holy Spirit. It was developed by the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, now known as Catch the Fire Toronto. This group also gave rise to the “Toronto Blessing” and many aberrant practices such as holy laughter, making animal sounds, and being drunk or paralyzed in the Spirit."

    This is misdirection. To point people to some silly activities in Toronto is to inoculate people from actually seeking God and experiencing him for himself. There will always be silly people who bark and fall over and roll in aisles. Satan will always try to counterfeit the real to inoculate people from the truth and reality of experiencing God. (As a side not, if you don't fall over as you experience the presence of God, perhaps you aren't experiencing him? Ezekiel and John fell to their face in God's glorious presence.) There will always be charlatans who try to manipulate God for money. Does this negate the real? No.

    Music plays an important role in experiencing God:

    "Now bring me someone who can play the harp." While the harp was being played, the power of the LORD came upon Elisha…" (2 Kings 3:15 NLT)

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    • Jenny says:

      You are not looking at the historical contexts of that verse or the Jewish culture of the day. Jesus was talking to the pharisees and Sadducees. They were so pious and puffed up about the law and knew the scriptures, but they did not recognize their visitation( Jesus in their presence) which spoke of Him. Jesus was rebuking their blindness NOT SAYING his word was insufficient. Jesus said " sanctify them by your truth. Your word is truth." John 17:17 God changes believers by His word, it is a steady work of the Holy Spirit as we walk, yield and obey, He fills us with the spirit. There is no impartation that will change us like this. But on this one will I look ; on him who is poor and of contrite spirit, and WHO TREMBLES AT MY WORD. isa. 66:5 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by THE WORD OF GOD.
      The power is in THE GOSPEL Romans 5:8

      The scripture tells us what the church will be like in the end time, they will no longer adhere to sound doctrine, they will heap up teachers for themselves,
      Now the spirit speaks expressly that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. 1 Timothy 4:1

      Jesus said, " why do you not understand My speech. Because you are not able to LISTEN TO MY WORD. John 8:43

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  3. lyn says:

    Experiencing God is not found in the Bible; it is an emotion based type of worship.

    As for John and Ezekiel falling on their faces, this is not experiencing God, this is holy reverence for the Almighty, omnipotent, omniscient, sovereign Creator of all mankind. There was fear in these men, not some emotional giddy-type approach to worship. Be careful what you offer up as acceptable worship to God, remember the strange fire offered by Nadab and Abihu, they were struck dead by God. {Numbers 3:4}

    As for coming to Christ, remember this, 'no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him' John 6:44. There are many who have knowledge of God, but that doesn't mean they belong to Christ. Coming to Christ is so offensive and obnoxious to our sinful and depraved nature, we will not come to Him, just as He states in John 5:40, 'And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.'
    Christ told Nicodemus in John 3:3, ' Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.' Regeneration is not humanly possible, for it is a supernatural work of God, 'Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.' John 1:13
    Charles Spurgeon says this, " We assert that no man will come to Christ unless he be drawn; nay, we do not assert it, but Christ himself declares it—"Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life;' and as long as that "ye will not come' stands on record in Holy Scripture, we shall not be brought to believe in any doctrine of the freedom of the human will." from his sermon entitled 'human inability' at spurgeon DOT org/sermons/0182 DOT htm

    People are looking for an experience, emotion type of worship, however, God clearly says all who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth – John 4:24 – to which Albert Barnes comments, "This is the second reason why men should worship him in spirit and in truth. By this is meant that God is without a body; that he is not material or composed of parts; that he is invisible, in every place, pure and holy. This is one of the first truths of religion, and one of the sublimest ever presented to the mind of man. Almost all nations have had some idea of God as gross or material, but the Bible declares that he is a pure spirit. As he is such a spirit, he dwells not in temples made with hands Act_7:48, neither is worshipped with men’s hands as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things, Act_17:25. A pure, a holy, a spiritual worship, therefore, is such as he seeks – the offering of the soul rather than the formal offering of the body – the homage of the heart rather than that of the lips."
    Heartfelt worship comes from having a right understanding of who God is, of His attributes. Knowing Him according to how He reveals Himself through His word, this is right worship; knowing Him rightly also cultivates holy reverence for Him. This is NOT based on some mind emptying emotional type worship. True worship is adoration of God, praising Him as in the Psalms, lifting heart, mind and soul before Him in worship with rejoicing for who He is, what He has done, and is presently doing. Too many want a tangible type worship, which is what this article speaks of. The roots of this can be traced back to pagan forms of worship, which God abhors. Worship should never be invented by man, we can only rightly worship God if He has revealed Himself to us thru His word, and if we have taken His truth deep in our hearts and meditate on those truths.

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  4. Ima Believer says:

    Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

    The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, etc… not tingling feet, goose bumps, or hot flashes.

    I can't find a scripture where the Lord instructs to us seek physical thrills and angelic visitations. I do know this… 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

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    • lyn says:

      Excellent job in pointing out the true biblical fruit of the Spirit Ima Believer, may our Lord be praised. Also, kudos for listing 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 as well.

      Marie, I agree with you when you ask 'Will those who trust and believe on the LORD Jesus Christ and Him alone, literally be persecuted by the church system built by man here in the United States? Time will give us the answer.' That answer may come very soon.

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  5. Marie says:

    Great responses here and in agreement with Ima Believer with reference to the Scriptures! Great and powerful Scriptural choices! Praise our Living God!

    Our LORD delieverd me out of a church system who specialized in all of the above manifestations on a regular basis. And when it becomes known that an individual within this type of false church system does not ascribe to the ways of the occult, then be prepared to endure persecution from the very ones who claim to know the Bible better than you. The fruits of the Holy Sprit thus become attacking fruits from another demonic spirit designed to destroy your faith in the only One who saves, Jesus Christ.

    These manifestations breed hautiness, pride, and worship of the self, all of which are from satan, not God, the Holy Spirit. And as a hunger grows for mysticism and extra-Biblical manifestations, we are literally witnessing the great apotasy of our time as deceiving spirits are luring hearts and minds away from the very Word of God.

    Will those who trust and believe on the LORD Jesus Christ and Him alone, literally be persecuted by the church system built by man here in the United States? Time will give us the answer.

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  6. Marie says:

    Thank-you Lyn for your encouragement in my faith and trust in Jesus Christ today, I am graciously thankful for the Body that exists beyond the temple/church system.

    May you be strengthened and encouraged today as well as you worship our LORD in spirit and truth!

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  7. Dawn says:

    People should have enough knowledge of God and the Bible to know the Truth. Unfortunately, they do not. This nonsense is New Age pagan practice.

    Christians should have enough sense not to listen to Sid Roth. Sid Roth is a huge promoter of the Hebraic movement. We live under the New Covenant. We should not keep trying to go back to rituals and feasts of works.

    Also, churches keep inviting Rabbis to speak at their churches. What business does a person who denies the deity of Christ have teaching the church. People keep wanting to add to Scripture. Works and rituals make people feel holy, so they keep going back to this nonsense.

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  8. Cassi says:

    So true Dawn! Followers of the Hebraic/Hebrew Roots movement are leading sheep astray with putting us under laws which do not apply any longer, PRAISE JESUS.

    There are a few members in my church who say "We cannot eat pork, for Yahweh commands this in the Old Covenant." And when you counter these people with the teachings of Jesus Christ under His New Covenant, well, sorry to say, their response is "We are not to cast our pearls before swine!."

    Does this mean they are calling me a swine? I do not take their personal attacks seriously any longer as I know who I am in Jesus Christ, and Him alone. These people caught up in deception (many follow the false teachings of John Hagee as well!) are not the final judges of our eternal destiantion, for that belongs to God, our Father.

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  9. Sondra says:

    I want to thank each of u for your comments. I did not know Sid Roth practiced this type of worship.

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