“Barton: Glenn Beck Is A Christian Who Identifies As Mormon Simply Out Of Loyalty”

Beck and Barton
The only way to impact our culture is to stand up and proclaim the Gospel and the absolute Truth of God. It’s a Jesus who commands that we repent and follow Him as our Lord and Savior. We cannot foist righteousness on America through political activism or legislation. Only Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit can regenerate our hearts supernaturally, by exchanging His righteousness for our wickedness.

Kyle Mantyla over at RWW has the bizarre and provocative headline, and the audio to go with it:

It has been no secret that there have been some among the Religious Right who have raised concerns about the prominent role that Glenn Beck has been playing within the movement because he is a practitioner of the Mormon faith.  And given David Barton’s close ties to Beck, Barton has also received criticism for defending Beck, often by claiming that if you judge Beck simply by the “fruits” of his works and not his label, he is really a Christian.

While Beck himself openly embraces his Mormon faith and has even dedicated entire programs to defending it, Barton continues to insist that Beck is really just a Mormon in name only, and he only does that because he has a loyalty to the church for helping him overcome with problems with alcohol.

As Barton explained to Steve Deace last week, individual Mormons can go to Heaven and Beck really “became a Christian back when he was in Alcoholics Anonymous” but identifies as a Mormon today only “because he has a loyalty to them”:

Audio here

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23 Responses to “Barton: Glenn Beck Is A Christian Who Identifies As Mormon Simply Out Of Loyalty”

  1. PJ says:

    "identifies as a Mormon today only “because he has a loyalty to them”

    HUH is right. You cannot serve two masters.
    "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."


  2. Geno says:

    I LOVE what you say in this post. You're among the few who understand that we are not called to set up a Theocracy and seek to bring unregenerate people under law.

    We are called to express the life and nature of the Lord, Jesus, and call people out of darkness into His glorious kingdom of light.

    We need lots more like you speaking out to believers… and unbelievers, as well.


  3. PJ says:

    The other thing is, it wasn't like the LDS church was there looking for him. Beck was out there SEARCHING for answers and barely keeping it together after he got off drugs. Pat Gray is a Mormon, and he worked with him, and that was how he got involved in considering the LDS church. Barton makes it sound like no Christians reached out to Beck, even though they knew he was struggling. Really?

    Barton's pretty good at spinning and leaving out pertinent information or just plain making things up. Maybe MSNBC should hire him.


  4. Rick says:

    There is just something that leaves a bad vomit taste in a true Christian's mouth and that is the cornerstone of the Mormon faith that is (as man is god once was and as god is man might become.)


  5. Sharon says:

    Loyalty is a great quality to have!….but you can have your loyalties misplaced and in disorder, which in turn can lead to not only a really bad case of "Spiritual Nepotism"…..see [Matthew 10:37 & Luke 14:26]…..

    …..But can also make it very difficult to follow through in obedience/action, {Romans 16:17 – "avoid them"} or {2 Thessalonians 3:6 – "Keep away" from them}, or whatever other scriptural Truth can be applied.

    I can't say with 100% certainty whether Glen Beck is a Christian or not, but when something is "contrary" to God's Word or His Wisdom, this notion of because "so & so" did "such & such" for me so that now you feel "obligated" to them in some way, can get anyone of us off course… and sometimes….for some people…WAY off course!


    • Servant says:

      Beck has tried his hardest to enlist his followers in the Mormon cult – and used his TV show on FOX to spread its mythology about Hebrews in the New World. He is no friend of Christians, and is a false teacher.


  6. Ima Believer says:

    How sad. How do you ever share your faith with anyone, when you refuse to associate with anyone that does not already share your faith? Pathetic.

    If any of you were among the Jewish spies checking out Jericho you would have been executed. Why? Because there is no way you have allied with a prostitute.

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi


  7. D says:

    I've never heard it better stated than here: "The only way to impact our culture is to stand up and proclaim the Gospel and the absolute Truth of God. It’s a Jesus who commands that we repent and follow Him as our Lord and Savior. We cannot foist righteousness on America through political activism or legislation. Only Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit can regenerate our hearts supernaturally, by exchanging His righteousness for our wickedness. And that is a truth Mr. Beck simply does not follow."

    Very well put.

    I am simply tremendously grieved that so many are entrenched in this political idolatry and harlotry!


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  8. chris says:

    Glen Beck is not a Christian. The falsie teachings of Joseph Smith do not stand the prophet test in the bible Dueteronomy 18:20 . The Mormon faith is not Christian and have been wrong in their prophecies numerous times and have also added to the book of the bible/ Rev 18:20 . The bible is very clear about these two points and there can be no disputing these facts; period. The Mormon Jesus is very different than the Jesus of the bible


  9. Dave says:

    So, by the logic of Revelations 18:20, we should also ignore everything after Deuteronomy 4:2? True prophets are commanded by God to write His words, and they become scripture. All scripture speaks of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. That is all joseph Smith taught. It is a shame that we are not able to shout from the rooftops that Christ's agony in the Garden and on the Cross have paid the price that Justice demands so that we do not have to spend Eternity suffering for our sins. President, Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, Gordon B. Hinckley said, "I cannot say that we are not worse than Sodom and Gomorrah." When Lot, the last righteous man in those cities left, God destroyed them; we don't even know for sure where they were. It is the righteous that prevent the sword of God's wrath, which, according to Isaiah, hangs over us until we we become ripe in iniquity and he cleanses the land, for "God will not be mocked." You stone the prophets. You are the same as the Jews in Jerusalem that crucified their God. What will ye say when you stand before Him at the Great and Terrible Bar of Justice, having a bright knowledge of your wickedness, and your choice to ignore His word. Do you think you can lie to him then? Do you think he will slap you with a few stripes and give you Celestial glory? The path is straight and the way is narrow, and few there be that find it.


  10. Dave says:

    That is, by the logic is Revelations 22:19, we should ignore everything after Deuteronomy 4:2. The "prophet test" does not prove Joseph Smith was not a prophet. Again, Isaiah tells us that our thoughts are not His thoughts, and His thoughts are not our thoughts. God is on a different timetable whan we are. And even though the Heaven and the Earth shall pass away, yet every word of God shall be fulfilled,every jot and every tiddle. Just because something prophesied by God's chosen prophet does not opccur in our lifetime, is not proof that he is false. Isaiah predicted things that would occur 800 yearas after he was born. For unto us a Son is given, and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of peace.


  11. Yosemite says:

    Dave I am sure you are well meaning but Mormonism is a different gospel than written about in the Old and New Testaments.


    • Would you get information about Ford from Chrysler? Would you get information about Apple from IBM? Where are you getting your information about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? I don't know, but based on your comments, you are not getting it from the Mormons. The Atonement of Jesus Christ is the central tenet of the Gospel. All else are appendages thereunto. Joseph Smith restored man's right to "ask". Ask and it shall be given. Have you read the Book of Mormon? Have you asked God, in the Name of Christ, with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, if it is a true book of God? If you have not, then you are still entitled to your uninformed opinion about what Mormonism is, but you cannot speak with authority on any aspect of any Mormon's heart or mind, including Glenn Beck's loyalty or his reasons therefor. Jesus Christ is our Judge. He told us to "judge not". We are not judges. That is Christ's prerogative. That is where he placed himself when he bled from every pore in the Garden of Gethsemane, suffered and died on the cross, and came forth from the sepulcher as a resurrected being, the First Fruits of them that slept. It was a pain so great, that Christ, even the God of this world himself, who had the power to control and decide when His Spirit would leave His body, would that he might not drink the bitter cup, and an angel came to succor Him in His time of greatest pain. And, so that Jesus Christ might know how to succor us in times of sin, when we, as fallible human beings, estranged ourselves from Him through sin, His Father, even Elohim, God, went and hid his face in the farthest reaches of the universe that Christ might know what it was to be alone. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani. But Christ has not forsaken us. It is only in and through Jesus Christ that man can be saved. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church on the face of the earth today that has the same organization that existed in the primitive church: Prophets, Apostles, Seventies, and so forth. He has restored his Priesthood Authority to man on earth. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If He even had a shadow of changing to the left or the right, He would cease to be God. This is one of the Eternal laws by which He lives. If God no longer manifests himself to man, it is not because God has changed. It is because man has kicked him out of their lives, kicked him out of their schools, their culture, practice priest crafts, has legalized sin, and perverted and abandoned his ways.


  12. It is a sad day now that the majority of men desire that which is wicked. The world no longer wants peace. The people living in the Holy Land don't want peace; they want all their foes dead. The Pharisees claimed they were Sons of Abraham and had a free ticket to heaven. Christ told them otherwise. (John 8). When Aaron divided the River Jordan and conquered Jericho, he was fulfilling the word of the Lord to destroy the wicked inhabitants of the Promised Land. They were in the Holy Land, but they no longer served God, and so He swept them away to make way for those who had chosen to follow Him. America is also a Holy Land unto the Lord. It is only the righteous living amongst us that keeps the Sword of God's Justice from raining down hellfire and destruction upon this people. Lot and his family were the only righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah. When they left, the Lord destroyed them to such an extent, that even today we don’t know for sure where those cities were. From Sodom and Gomorrah we get the words Sodomy and Gonorrhea. That’s quite a legacy. If you live like there is no God, you had better be right. In the long view of things, following God has no bad consequences. Personally, I know, without the least shadow of any doubt, that God Lives, that Jesus is the Christ, and the Kingdom of God exists on the earth today in the form of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that Christ suffered in the Garden to atone for my sins, to expiate my weaknesses. He paid the price of sin so that I did not have to spend eternity in hell paying for my sins. Now, have satisfied justice, he is able to extend to me mercy. He only asks that I come to Him with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, and that I endure to the end in Him. I am not brainwashed, far from it. These are MY choices. I have experienced the Lord touching my soul directly so many times that I would surely condemn myself to an eternity in Outer Darkness were I to deny God’s existence. You cannot know what is in my heart because you have not experienced it. There are no words to describe it because each person must experience it for him or herself. Ask and it shall be given. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened. Knock. Knock. For all our frailties, His anger is not withheld, but his hand is stretched out still. If you let Him, He will embrace you, He will hold you tight, He will keep you safe, and you will know a joy unequal to anything in this world. Of this I testify in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ.


  13. Effie Miller says:

    Amen. I share your testimony. Thanks for expressing it so articulately.


  14. Manny P. says:

    On Mormonism :

    God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
    God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428).
    "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s . . . " (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22).
    God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
    "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
    After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354).
    There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).
    God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).
    The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).

    In contrast to these teachings, the Bible teaches that God has always been God and was never a man (Psalm 90:2). The Bible nowhere says he lives near another star, or that the Father has a body of flesh and bones–which Christ contradicted in John 4:24 and Luke 24:39. We do not have the potential of becoming gods because there are no gods formed (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5). The Trinity is one God (Deut. 6:4)–not three.


    • That's a great cut-n-paste job. If it is not, and this is truly the result of your own study, I congratulate you for your diligence, though my heart is pained at your rejection of the truth laid bare before you. Even the Bible contradicts itself. How did Judas Iscariot die?

      Though I am sure it is a futile attempt, I will, nonetheless, address myself to only the last item on "your" list, because if we are to gain truth from God through prayer, it is important to understand who He is. The other matters are of no consequence when it comes to the fate of your Eternal Soul. Every other item on the list is a verity undeniable, but are only ancillary to the doctrine of the Atonement, the keystone to our Salvation.

      When Christ was baptized, the voice of God the Father announced the divinity of His Son, and the Holy Ghost descended upon God the Son, whom John had just brought up from the water. These are three separate and distinct beings. When Christ, God the Son, was in Gethsemane, surely he was not praying to himself. In His great intercessory prayer in John 17, Jesus Christ, God the Son, begged His Father, God the Father, that all we who follow His (Christ's) teachings, might be one as He, God the Son, was one with Him, God the Father. Surely Christ did not mean that He wanted us to be all "smooshed" together into a single being. He meant that He wanted us to be one in heart, one in purpose, that there be no contentions among us, that there be no disputations. Even the Book of Mormon states that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God (2 Nephi 31:21). They are! Two people can be one and still be individuals, individuated. Is there any doubt that the great 'falling away' spoken of by Paul has not occurred? For there are more than 3000 Christian religions, all of whose teachings are based on the Bible, yet they teach contradictory concepts. They deny that God still speaks to man, yet they stand before their congregations and purport to teach God's word. From where, then, do these preachers get their teachings? Has God ceased to speak to man? If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then why has this changed? God has not changed, but man has trampled his doctrine under their feet, as a thing of naught, and denies the godliness thereof.

      I despise this forum and all its ilk because their sole intent is to raise contentions between men. They are then, not of God, and I am saddened that the world has turned itself from Him. I cannot convince you of anything; that is not my responsibility. My stewardship consists in sharing the truths, the gifts, the peace of conscience, and the assurances and testimony that God has given me with others, and to invite them to perform the same test of veracity and to bring themselves unto Him.

      The Lord, Jesus Christ, the Great I AM, the God of the Old Testament, destroyed 16000 men per month for 40 years while they were in the wilderness because they (the Israelites) would not obey His word. Wilt thou, O man, wait until God destroys you in a hail of fire and brimstone before you will believe that He is? Will you wait until you stand before God the Son at the great and terrible bar of judgment and plead that you did not know, when you figuratively stoned the prophets, cast them into pits, called good evil and evil good?

      God the Father lives. God the Son, even Jesus Christ, the creator of the world, His footstool, condescended to live with us, for a single purpose: to Atone for us, to offer us mercy where no other could. This great and infinite atonement, spread over three days, in the Garden of Gethsemane, on the Cross, and in the Sepulcher, was ordained by the Father, the Son volunteered to be our Savior, whom God the Father sent, provides mercy to us so we can repent of our evil and return to live with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost in great glory for Eternity, instead of "rotting" for eternity in hell to pay for our sins. For in His house are many mansions.

      This will be my last post. God gave you agency before the world was created. I exhort you to find God, the giver and source of all truth. And then, find and learn the truth from this being that gave you life, and follow Him.


  15. Manny P. says:

    David my friend, sometimes a way seems right to a man, but in the end it brings death. My cut and paste job was done for brevity, I do understand the points I wrote though. CARM (which was duly credited with a link) had it down. Now, to the the kernel of the Mormon dilemma, Joseph Smith and Moroni vs the teachings of Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, John, Matthew, etc., the Bible has been historically proven through fulfilled prophecy and archeology, something that the the Book of Mormon can't say.

    There's so much information so readily available that to ignore it, puts you in danger of one day waking up where you don't want to be. For your soul's sake, take time and read. The biggest cop-out I always hear is: "the bible contradicts itself." David, do it while it is today my friend, we don't get second chances.


  16. lori says:

    Mormonism: it's another gospel, another message, and another Christ. i love beck and he see's so much truth, but is completely blind on THE TRUTH that matters most! The teachings of Smith and his followers do not match the scriptures at all!!!! One of my ancestor grandma's was married to Joseph Smith as well as he daughter. The foundations of this church are unholy and unscriptural despite there being so many well meaning, loving, and kind followers. There are those types of folks though in all belief systems and that doesn't make something true. Joseph Smith did not hold to the teachings of Jesus in any way, shape, or form! So any belief system built upon Smith is false, pure and simple.


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