New NAR “bible” a dangerous heresy

042213-passiontranslationHave you heard about the latest Bible “translation?” This one comes from the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) camp, from the brain of one man, a human-appointed “Apostle.” It’s called “The Passion Translation,” written by Brian Simmons of Stairway Ministries.

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97 Responses to New NAR “bible” a dangerous heresy

  1. Heather Robles says:

    First if your going to compare any bible to the true Word of God, it should be compared to the King James Version Authorized. All Newtranslations are conterfiet of the True Word of God all new versions change the diety of Jesus Christ. And most demote Jesus Chrost snd deny or take out the power of His shed Blood. So it would be best to do your comparrison to the KJV Bible to know where the true mistakes lye in the nee translation. Just fyi

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    • Heather Robles says:

      Sorry for the spelling mistakes in my last comment. I meant to type KJV in that last sentance. And i meantJesus Christ in the other misspelled words. Its this ridiculouse auto correction on my phone. God bless you. 😀

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    • KJV Onlyism is heresy…Jesus plus the KJV. When one compares translations the KJV is not the standard, the manuscripts are what we compare them with. May the Lord help you with the links below.
      http://kjvonly.org/
      http://jesusiscreator.org/?cat=50

      In Christ,
      Timothy >

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    • Heather:

      The KJV is not the standard to which we compare what is correct. We must compare all translations with the manuscripts extant today. We had the Word of God way before the KJV. As wonderful as the KJV is, it's not the standard. May these links below help you. God Speed. >
      http://kjvonly.org/
      http://jesusiscreator.org/?cat=50

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    • godsfingers says:

      Why, the KJV is error filled? In Isaiah KJV says God created evil. And even though the Hebrew has no future tense the KJV makes fine use of it. In Revelation 4 the Greek word thronos is used yet the KJV gives the elders seats instead of thrones. I could go on and on. The worst of the KJV is that it's a doctrinal Bible by charter of King James to satisfy two religious groups. The perfection of the KJV is a counterfeit lie. Perhaps some of the demoting you charge is just bringing the text true. I haven't seen any power of God taken away or demoted in the NIV.

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    • SCOTTY says:

      AMEN BROTHER, THERE ARE 64,000 LESS WORDS IN THE NIV THAN THE KJV. USE A REAL BIBLE SIR THE NIV IS FATALLY FLAWED.EXAMPLE

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      • M.A. Hayward says:

        I wonder what the word count disparity is between the original language and the KJV? The KJV is a fair translation, but it's based on Erasmus' 'Textus Receptus' which did not have access to the best Greek manuscripts, and where manuscripts were missing, Erasmus took the Latin Vulgate, translated it back into Greek, and then into the common language. All that to say, KJV is flawed too. EVERY translation involves some degree of interpretation. If you want the BEST version of the scriptures, learn Greek and Hebrew!

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    • Jesse says:

      I am not thrilled with the NIV myself, but the KJV only folks always exaggerate the issues: http://www.thebereancall.org/content/september-20

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  2. Wow! Thanks for this post. God bless you and keep warning people! Just when ya thought it couldn't get worse! And I thought the Message was bad!

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  3. My impression is that there are undermining organizations and groups, who are endlessly planning and implementing methods to destroy all Christian pillars ,and I think this is not new , it could be back to the days of the Disciples . Now we are confronting so many trends ,like the one by Bishop John S. Spong and others ,as you have mentioned ..people supporting Same sex marriage, which is also undermining the most sacred institution of the Church(the family) ..Legalizing all kind of relationships… Governments are passing laws just for political motivations,and the line is so long. If the people of God, and our Savior Jesus Christ will not have a clear and effective stand against such violations the Church will have difficulties not predicted at all. At least we can save the Family ,and defend Marriage as ,it is a name proclaimed and used by millions of people for centuries ,so that it has become a registered TRADE MARK for us. why apply the same name to an institution which is of the same sex living together ,let them be so creative and innovative, as their relationship is ,and find a name for that "institution" other than Marriage . The international court should be honest to protect a name registered for centuries to people who do not accept ,others distort that name and abuse it .

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  4. Daniel says:

    The King James is only a *VERSION* of the Bible – that is what the "V" stands for in "KJV". Why read some man's "version" of the Bible when you can study the real Bible?

    Look at how other religions work – if someone converts to Islam, they are taught Arabic and study the Qoran in the original language. If someone converts to Judaism, they are taught Hebrew and study the Scriptures in the original language.

    However, it is generally taught that those who convert to Christianity are generally too stupid to study the Bible itself and that only the clergy should be looking at the original. Everyone else should only look at a "version" of the Bible, such as the King James *Version*. This is why the Catholic Church worked so hard for so many centuries to keep men like Wycliffe and Tyndale from studying the original – they wanted to keep it so that only the clergy would be looking at the original Bible.

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    • Glen H. Kippel says:

      Sorry, Daniel, but the Roman Catholic church did not want people to study the Bible at all but to depend on their priest to interpret it for them. And even then their Bible was not in the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, but the Latin Vulgate version. That was not the original Bible at all.

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  5. Arni says:

    Awsome! when I saw it listed on your website I it made me more determined to get it
    Thanks, lm going to love it!

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  6. Carol Von Canon says:

    Arni,

    You could use some of the wisdom spoken of in Proverbs. Pray for it before you buy anything!

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  7. David says:

    Look at how other religions work – if someone converts to Islam, they are taught Arabic and study the Qoran in the original language. If someone converts to Judaism, they are taught Hebrew and study the Scriptures in the original language. translation services

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  8. Victor Asuncion says:

    If you are a purist…. then go study hebrew and aramaic… then read from the scrolls… just to be sure..

    If you have the Holy Spirit in you – you don't have to worry about translations.. the Holy Spirit will be your "teacher", "mentor" – He will tell you which is sound and which is not.. Depend on God's Spirit and not on translations..

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    • Shazzykay says:

      Brilliant Victor
      I agree !! The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth!!!
      He is all powerful and all knowing !!!
      He does guide lead and reveal Gods Truth to us!!

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  9. Marie says:

    Thank-You Stand Up For The Truth in addressing this heretical writing that man chooses to call a Bible…..an oxymoron with words no less.

    Also, I am appreciative of Holly's work revealing the darkness and deception of the New Apostolic movement which has infiltrated so many of our churches, especially with the gullible individuals who do not test any theological teaching with the very Word of God. In many circles, Charisma Magazine has become the doctrine by which this movement feeds and feasts on rather than God's own Words.

    God have mercy on us in this day and age.

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  10. Jen says:

    Yuck. I hate websites like this. Use the
    Holy Spirt to guide you. Come on
    People. Love one another.

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    • rosinavoz says:

      We don't 'use' the Holy Spirit. We ask Him to help us to discern truth from error. You can read these two versions of Proverbs, Chapter 8 above and not see the difference in meaning? The Holy Word of God has been completely changed to say what was never intended. That does not bother you in the least? Verse 7 in the NIV says "my mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness." In the Simmons version, there is no mention of 'wickedness' at all ..and .nothing about how the Lord detests it. Pretty big omission right there, don't you think?

      If you hate websites like this one, then why are you here?

      "Love one another." I am so sick of people throwing that phrase around in an accusatory manner. Isn't it loving to warn people today when apostate teachings are running rampant in the church? Aren't we to test all things and make sure they are truly of God so we will not be led astray in these last days when we know there will be great deception as the end draws near? I guess today 'love one another' means never question anything, accept whatever new teaching comes along no matter if it damns people to hell. We mustn't offend anyone or make them feel uncomfortable. It might actually get them to thinking and that would be so mean of us…right? How sad!

      It is time to test ourselves… to make sure we are in the true faith. The Lord is coming soon.

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  11. The Spirit of truth has presided over the inspiration, the preservation, the translation, and the revelation of God's Word. The enemy has sought to redefine, pervert, take from, add to, and distort the Word of God. You must ask the Spirit of truth to reveal the Word of truth to you. Because He has also presided over the translation of the Word into English, you must determine which translation(s) He has endorsed and blessed. The KJV has been used for every major historical revival since its translation. This gives His seal of approval on its use. Is it the only one? You will have to ask Him.

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    • Glen H. Kippel says:

      It was the 1599 Geneva Bible that the Pilgrims brought with them to the New World. And the Authorised Version was basically an update of the Bishop's Bible. It was not really accepted for about 70 years after its first publication in 1611 — people sneeringly called it "King James's Bible," from which we get its name now. People didn't like the new contemporary-language Bible and wanted to stick with what was familiar.

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  12. Bobby says:

    I have seen a lot of differences being in different churches. But it appears that the church has become canibalistic by devouring one another over one issue or another. It looks like this is another one of those instances. As with any writing or teaching or sermon, we are to glean from it what is beneficial for our spiritual well-being. And whatever seems a little off ask Holy Spirit whether to take it or leave it or even show you truth in what you are not getting. But please leave these fellow brothers and sisters of God alone. Especially on such a broad forum. If you have anything against your brother you are supposed to first go to him and work things out. Not blast him on a web site. They will know that we are God's children by our love for one another.

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    • standupwi says:

      Bobby, the Bible tells us to discern, and to mark and avoid false teachers. Furthermore, you are asking us to go to a publisher in private, after the book has already come out? This is a mis-application of Matthew 18, which talks about going to a brother who has wronged you in your church. This is not about public statements made by public figures. And no, we must not glean from heretical teachings.Beware of the yeast.

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    • Your Buddy says:

      Bobby I wish I could upvote you twice. The early church (especially in nations outside Israel) was absolutely driven by the Holy Spirit, and did not rely on scripture to be led by Jesus! God had, and has, written His Word on hearts and not only on pages! The bible is all God-breathed truth, but not all of God is contained within the Bible! That's why the Holy Spirit is here to guide us! 🙂

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      • Tom says:

        Great response Lyn! I Confer. As we live in perilous times. Pray for this man, as he will have the blood of the weak one's on his hands.

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      • godsfingers says:

        You need to study what apostles are. There are more than 12 doncha know

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      • Glen H. Kippel says:

        Yes, there are people who say that God speaks to us through His Word. That is true, but He is not limited to that. Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice and follow Me." Romans 8:14 explicitly states: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." The Bible is not a rule book. It is like a yardstick. When we think God is speaking to us, we go to the Bible to see if what we think He is saying measures up to the unchanging Word. If we think God said, "Kill your neighbor," you know that is not God because we are supposed to love our neighbor. There is the Logos, the unchanging Word, and Rhema, which is a specific word given to a specific person at a specific time and place. I have experienced this many times. Walk in the spirit.

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  13. Susan PNG says:

    Nobody seems to have noticed but the verses from the NIV are earlier verses from ch 8 and NOT the ones quoted from the NAR translation so they wont look similar at all. This needs changing to be true:-)

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    • Josh987 says:

      EXACTLY! To show different verses between the two translations, rather than comparing the same verses is very deceptive! To the people who wrote this article please fix this up.

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  14. Mama of many says:

    Are you saying that " of course" prophetic singing & impartation are false teachings?! Wowzers! You should read The WORD brother! What in the heck do you think David was doing for Saul? What exactly was Jesus doing by laying hands on people…um, it's called impartation…wholey moley people…are you that unaware of what God's word really says?!

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  15. Mike says:

    First, thanks "mama of many." Second, I would like to share that the topic of translations is too large an issue for a simple blog. If you're not able to read Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic (What Yeshua/Jesus spoke) and/or Greek, you may have already lost the point … or even the argument about the translation of God's written Word. Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, we should be about advancing His Kingdom. Currently people are saved and bearing fruit in having the love and testimony that belongs to being a child of The Most High and discipling the nations as commanded. Many blessings!

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  16. Karen says:

    I have several Passion translations and I LOVE them, Song of Solomon is my favorite!! It has caused me to fall more and more in love with my beloved Jesus. He has won my heart completely and ruined me for this world. Hallelujah!!! If something causes you to understand the love of God more and how passionately He loves His creation, then I'm all for it!! They are all translations, that's why we have the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. You have to understand the heart of God to interpret His word, and the Word says 'God is Love', everything He does is motivated by His great love for His creation. We need to be working on unity in the body of Christ instead of more things that bring division. Jesus' heart cry was that we would be one as He and the Father are one. We all need to abstain and avoid petty differences and come together and become the Bride of Christ, remember He is coming for a Bride, not a church, and we must become ONE and cling to each other and Him as the end draws near and times get very difficult. Love in Christ

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    • Love says:

      I agree I have read them and come to a deeper understanding of Gods love. Which has set me into motion for others to see Gods love for them as a bride a church one unity. We are not to divide ourselves over something like those if it isn't teaching you to draw away from God his word or his people I don't see a big deal about it. Let the Holy Sporit lead you into all truth. And remember God wrote the word thru man Brian Simmions isn't re writing it he is being lead to show Gods love in a deeper way.

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      • shane says:

        Do not talk about the Bible, then try to condemn a follower of Christ. You have no right, and you are the pharisee Christ spends most of His ministry concerning. He called you venomous. You know what the fad was during Christ's ministry? Someone uneducated in scriptures encountering Him, and having a life change, where their life was their testimony. Not scriptures shoved down others throats. Find a better hobby, and stop trashing the ministry my Jesus bled and died for, to bring the people you are bashing into His kingdom.

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  17. Annette says:

    Are commentaries taboos as well? I paraphrased into modern vernacular several books of the Bible for deeper understand and for projects when I was in Bible school. I think some people could have benefitted by reading them. Would it have been wrong to let others read them? Perhaps the Passion version books are similar to the aforementioned? If a believer reads one of these books, I would expect the Holy Spirit to reveal truth. If using a "version" other than KJV helps one to know God and His fullness we should all be rejoicing. If you put a KJV in front of this generation they will not get the verbiage or context– we are in a post modern and church era. We are mature better get this picture instead of nitpicking books like the Passion editions.

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    • Tom says:

      Really, here's a nitpick. Other than the one we just read about in Proverbs! Just started to read it and found a great error from the start; In his translation of Colossians 1:23 “Continue to advance in the faith, assured of a firm foundation to grow upon. Never be shaken from the hope of the gospel you have believed in…..”
      Now read King James same scripture, ”If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard,…”
      Quite a difference! One is more of a warning, can you tell which one?
      And that’s just from reading it a bit, not that I would now trust this guy any further.

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      • Lor says:

        The King James Version, written in was not in the original language or through the eyes of the original culture of the time. It was through the eyes of a culture and language written thousands of years later. I might be wrong but wasn't it translated through the eyes of more languages, Greek, Latin, then English and at least through the eyes of two cultures. Wycliffe, Gutenberg and Tyndale are only a few examples of an earlier translations. There were several other older English versions before KJV. including Luther's German translation It is no problem if anyone prefers that version for their own study but pridefully thinking your preference is superior , brings division, disunity and disharmony in the body and is far from the heart of God and His Word..The Anglican Church’s King James Bible took decades to overcome the more popular Protestant Church’s Geneva Bible. One of the greatest ironies of history, is that many Protestant Christian churches today embrace the King James Bible exclusively as the “only” legitimate English language translation… yet it is not even a Protestant translation! It was printed to compete with the Protestant Geneva Bible, by authorities who throughout most of history were hostile to Protestants… and killed them.

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      • Glen H. Kippel says:

        Well, what we call the "King James Version" was indeed translated from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, and they compared their translation against earlier translations, such as the Bishop's Bible, Great Bible and even some others in French, Latin, etc. to make sure they weren't getting off-track. The translators said, "Truly ( good Christian Reader) wee neuer thought from the beginning, that we should make a new Translation , nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, … but to make a good one better,or out of many good ones,one principall good one,not iustly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeauour , that our marke." It is helpful to read the entire "Dedication to the Reader." It is true that the Authorised Version was not widely accepted for about 70 years after its 1611 publication — people snidely called it "King James's Version," from whence it got its name later. And of course the version we have now is the 1769 Cambridge Edition, since the original would be almost impossible for us to read now, especially in its Gothic type face. But the Geneva Bible (and I have a copy) was only accepted by the Puritans and Separatists due to its copious Calvinist commentaries. Most Englishmen wanted to stick with the traditional Bishop's Bible instead of that contemporary English translation authorized by King James.

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      • godsfingers says:

        Um, not defending the passion interpretation, there is no difference in your example. But an interesting note, since you use that example, is that the text says "If ye continue in the faith" and "be not moved away from the hope of the Gospel" with the emphasis on IF and BE NOT MOVED AWAY. According to some here that's impossible and the Bible lies.

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  18. Dyan Walker says:

    The Passion Translations are so beautiful and
    Accurate! If you truly understand that all scripture
    Has been breathed by the Holy Spirit … Jesus is A Jew…. He spoke the language of Aramaic …
    And Hebrew, each word is a whole concept … Which if you dig into it is so amazing. The Passion
    Translations that I have studied has not only
    Been an incredible blessing to me but has deepened and enriched my personal relationship
    With Jesus my LORD and Messiah.

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  19. Tom Howard says:

    Who ever wrote this story, "new NAR bible a dangerous heresy" is very confusing himself. It took a while to figure out that the scripture he is comparing are not even the same. What's up with that? First he quote's Proverbs 8:1-12 NIV and then quotes, The passion translation, Proverbs 8:14-18 TPT. Thats not comparing, that's confusion! Also, in the last verse quoted from the TPT he misquotes the last part of verse 18. It should read (TPT) "….The riches of righteousness and A long, satisfying life will be given to them." If it is corrupt, I want to know, but this is not even a fair shake down.

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  20. Bruce says:

    G'day,
    I agree Lyn!
    There is one precedent that MUST take place over ALL the "TRANSLATIONS" that we have available to read, It Is imperative that, "IF God said it, That settles it" I want to know ALL of the Gods breathed Word, Not some ones Interpretation of all they can think of, to tickle some ones ears. Most Translations are mearly Commentaries Remember Not one Jot or Tittle of Gods Word will PASS away, The Word also says, Do not add to, or take away from the Word of God, God also says, He hastens to perform HIS Word, He did not say "someones doctrons which are from devils" 1 Timothy 4:1
    Checkout Soverign Grace Publishers, The Literal Translation and KJ3 Literal Translation, By JP Green. Read His Preface in each of these…. It would be wonderful if I could read Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek like He did!

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  21. Scott says:

    The passion translation is just that, a translation. Just like the KJV is a translation. Gods word is not the bible. Gods word is His Spoken Word. The bible is what men think he said to them. You can worship the book or you can worship God. Christians love putting God in a BOX or a BOOK. He is not limited to a book. Look around you,
    is the bible the only way he speaks to you? Just because someone put Holy on the cover, does not mean we should worship it.

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    • Glen H. Kippel says:

      No, the Passion Translation is NOT a translation, it is an interpretation. Just as a translator translates on a word-for-word basis, an interpreter tries to give the sense of what a person is saying, in another language using idioms that are understandable to the hearer. The original Living Bible was what Ken Taylor thought each portion of the Bible meant. Same with The Book, The Message, and other paraphrases such as the so-called Passion Translation. But, you have to believe that what the author thinks the text means is actually what it says. That's why I stick with a literal translation like the KJV, NASB, NKJV and let the Holy Spirit take it from there and give me my own paraphrase.

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  22. Esther says:

    I am from Holland.
    Isn't the passion just a version
    If we really want the right translation, we all have to studie the old languages in order to comprehend te meaning of the true word.
    I think when or if a version comes close to our lives it makes it easier to us to experience God at our level. So why make such a fuss about it.
    In the end when we get to Heaven we don't need a bible because the Word ( read Jesus Christ) is among us!

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  23. Maria says:

    How can you compare verses 1-11 to verses 14-18?

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    • godsfingers says:

      Yes, it would have been better to compare apples and apples, though I'm not impressed with the Passion vs 14-18 either. The real point is the it's the Holy Spirit that gives passion to the scriptures, not the translation. This Bible cold be very dangerous in the hands of those that like to parse out, cut and paste scriptures.

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  24. Eric says:

    "All that is false"? Hrmmm. That's a bold statement. Boldly false.

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  25. dave says:

    does anyone know anything about King James?

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    • godsfingers says:

      yes Dave, it's error and doctrine filled and quite important to support RT. Do you believe God creates evil?

      Isaiah 45:7Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

      7 I form the light, and create darkness:
      I make peace, and create evil:
      I the Lord do all these things.

      AKJV is a translation ( of sorts) the Passion ( like the message bible) is an interpretation.

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      • Rob B says:

        I have been a user of the NIV as my main Bible and I used other modern translations for over 20 years! I recently started reading the KJV and found it to be far superior than any modern translation out there!

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      • Rob B says:

        godsfingers you are clearly misleading this person! All the translations say the same thing!

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      • godsfingers says:

        Which part did you miss? Nothing misleading in the quoted text, and my translation does not say the same thing.

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      • Rob B says:

        What translation do you have? Not only the KJV, Also the NIV, ESV, HSB, NET, NASB, ASB, NLT, ISV, God's Word, Darby, World's English Bible and Young's Literal Translation. I can't imagine what translation you gave. But you ha e a wrong version. This verse is talking about the punishments HE meted out to the sinful people. Don't want to sound mean, but Read in context and get some Bible training.

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      • Rob B says:

        Since you used the NIV for your aledged "side by side" comparison. I'll use the NIV here. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7 NIV

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    • Rob B says:

      Dave the King James Version is NOT error filled.

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      • godsfingers says:

        Funny you make that statement. It's right there in front of you. The Hebrew has no word for evil. The KJV "translators" just made one up. Why didn't they put what the Hebrew writers wanted as pointed in the NIV? In Revelation 4:2-4 the Greek word thronos is used indicating one throne and 24 thrones, yet AKJV says one throne and 24 seats. The KJV "translators" made a lot of stuff up as they went along. They had a charter to keep true to certain groups.

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      • Glen H. Kippel says:

        Generally that is true, but the translators did their own paraphrases on occasion, as when they have Paul saying "God forbid!" when the Greek actually says "May it never be!" But my personal preference is for the New American Standard as I believe it more accurately renders the Greek tenses.

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  26. Ashley says:

    I was disappointed to find that the texts you have "compared" are not from the same scripture. From the NIV you have used Proverbs 8 verses 1-11 but from the NAR version you are "comparing" verses 14-18 so naturally there will be no relationship to the NIV quote. If you do compare the NIV verses 14-18 there is a close relationship in the ideas expressed.
    The KJV is an excellent translation done with the latest state of knowledge of the 1600s. With more manuscripts and clay tablets now available, it is possible to get a better understanding of the "original" texts.

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    • Rob B says:

      Yes, Ashley. How misleading of this ministry to do something like that! I read both and if I took it at face value I would have accepted it and said yeah that's wrong. I'm glad I read the whole thing in my Bible and noticed what you noticed! WHEW!!!!!!

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  27. Diane says:

    Karen above, I agree with you…if something inspires you and allows you to feel the love of God and Jesus, then why create all these debates…I go with what inspires you…I love God I love Jesus and when I'm inspired and feel divine love in my heart is all GOOD…I don't get caught up in versions and all of that…I personally don't understand the KJV so I have to go with another version, I prefer the NKJV but that's just me, whichever version suits you and calls out to you…then that is the one for you…is all about reaching out to God and Jesus and accepting the gifts that Jesus gave us at the cross…and that starts by reading a version we understand…

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  28. SUFTT Credible? says:

    I expect better from standupforthe truth.com. The so called truth is to deceive the reader of the article that a fair side by side (verse for verse) is being compared. Shame on them and all the people who chimed in but haven't recanted! Will the real standupforthe truth…Stand Up? (Crickets….) Let this be a warning to all to test what is right and good. Blessings to all who seek the face of the Master in all his ways!

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  29. gene says:

    The author's insistent clinging to his or her favorite version is another manifestation of the power of evil. Arrogantly he ir she denounces, and seeks to instill fear; woe to you, A.S.!

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  30. amy says:

    Although I haven't yet read the passion translation..it may be a good tool to read alongside other versions..The Message version has blessed me , but it is just a tool. The NIV version has its own share of inaccurate issues…Its all about Jesus …everything else will fall into place.

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  31. Adrien Marie says:

    I know and trust Brian Simmons and will get the whole Passion Translation collection. I also value the pure Cambridge edition of the authorized King James bible.

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  32. Jodie says:

    As Christians we bash each other enough the enemy sits back and says. Man this is easy they will take each other down. It's not about-us who is right or wrong it is and always will be about Jesus when we let self promotion in and remove love we leave Jesus out of it. The bible is the breath of God. His living word. Each translation brings more depth to who he is. God is the same has never changed will never change. When we know the author we know his character and the translation doesn't matter. If you want deep facts read from the original language. We are called to be the house of God reaching others with his love and grace. Not smacking each other with our bibles saying my translation is better. How can you reach anyone doing that. We only cause them to run.

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  33. Rob B says:

    I came across this translation the other day at Walmart. I skimmed it and kind of reminded me of The Message. I was curious as what it was about and did a search and of course came here. Now, for one The office of the Apostle is what we call today a Church Planter. Paul was an Apostle and started a lot of Churches. Sure some stay a while but they do move on. That's their calling I am a member of a Charismatic/Word-Faith Church and I never hear of this, "NAR". I also been to IHOP a few times and talked with Mike Bickle and he never mentioned nor did I hear about "NAR" while there. All very new to me, strange………..

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  34. JD Larsen says:

    Here is another one, with links to part 2, 3 and 4 at the bottom: http://www.spiritoferror.org/2013/04/a-new-nar-bi

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  35. Shawn says:

    I noticed you used the NIV. Which removes dozens of keys scriptures from the Word of God. If you want the true translation of the bible, read the Hebrew and Greek. I also noticed you attacked the song of the Lord, which is recorded 100's of times in scripture (KJV, NKJV, NIV, Do-ra-me,1,2,3). Also declerations, and in The APOSTLE Pauls letters to Timothy, it talks about the transferance of annointing, i.e. gifts through the laying on of hands. I am not going to reply to any argument you may rebudle with. But seriously, pray and ask Holy Spirit ro show you what is truth and what is haresy, not a Pharisee. 🙂 Be blessed and may He breathe on you and reveal the truth to your heart. Eph.1

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    • godsfingers says:

      Actually, the NIV repairs dozens of "key" scriptures. When ever I hear "key scriptures" I want to throw up, literally. Most "key scriptures" when put back into context lack the doctrine the "key" supports.

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  36. Shawn says:

    And while we sit here arguing, the world mocks and scoffs. And with good reason. This Pharisee approach of attacking other Christians is what caused me to hate God, people and myself for years. Then God showed up and introduced Himself to me. And the Pharisee is not what saved me, the blood of a loving Lord and Saviour did. If you actually believed it was heresy, you would contact them, not evey other person but them.

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  37. Helena says:

    If you've ever read devotionals like Jesus Calling, this translation reads a lot like that. Obviously it's not going to be Aramaic and Greek and Hebrew scrolls, but it's taking the heart of God and putting a voice to it. We must must must tell the world about Jesus who came to save them, who loves them infinitely and has forgiven their sin. Not only so, but also equipped us to be disciples, to operate in the giftings of the Holy Spirit, and to desire to lean into prophecy. All you have to do is read 1 Corinthians and actually read it out loud, so your ears can register what the words say. Jesus invited us to be His friends, to abide in Him in John 15. Part of abiding is conversation. His sheep know His voice. I think this translation is a tool to people who have been really wounded by judgmental people in the Church, who would rather tear someone down than help them up. I think these words aren't heretic, because they are true. It is poetic, not a study Bible. It's what David did in the psalms. Look at it as art, if you can't understand what someone would gain from reading it. But it is beautiful work, done from a heart to heal and restore, not to deceive or hurt anybody. Perfect love casts out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. Does that sound familiar? I pray that Jesus softens your hearts, that you're able to write a psalm to Him, that you're able to put in words what He says of you, and that you witness to others with testimonies of the applied gospel in your life, your own stories of healing, your own experience with God, not just other people's. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, the Word made flesh. His words are the Bible, and I promise you He's not dead, and He's not done speaking. Even now, His word says He is rejoicing over you with singing, in Zephaniah. Ask Him what He's singing, because the lyrics are just for you. His heart for you is so big, it's a love that never fails. His hand is gripping yours. He has compassion on you. He's sympathetic to you in your weakness, and gives you sufficient grace. He calls you new. And He longs to see you doing everything that He is doing, like Jesus said in John 5. What's God doing today in your home? What's He doing at your job? What about your city? He's teaching your heart, and I pray you're tender to embrace Him back. I have read my Bible more times than I know (I prefer ESV or Extended Bible, so I can get root meanings and synonyms since it's not in original language), and I've preached in 10 countries. I served Jesus in orphanages, prisons, slums, and widow dwellings. It would all be for nothing if I didn't have love. It would all be for nothing if my heart were not lovesick for His presence. I pray for grace to apply Philippians 1:18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice… ♡ blessings to you in the love of Christ Jesus,
    Helena

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  38. Wendy says:

    In Goodyear, AZ, there is a world renown Bible museum. It is run by some amazing God-fearing men. One of those men wrote a book based on his knowledge of the many scripts, scrolls, and ancient bibles he has had the privilege to preserve. The book is called "The Forbidden Book", by Dr. Craig Lampe. The book sheds much light on the preservation of the scriptures throughout history. It becomes clear in the book that even some of the great men such as Tyndale, as quoted from the book, " was aware of the shortcomings of the translations." What does stand out however, is the integrity of each version to the foundations of Christianity…Jesus the Son of God, salvation by justification, the law being fulfilled to live a life of grace, etc.
    I have read the passion translations and have found the foundation of truth intact, with a beautiful intimacy and passion from Father that is somewhat lacking in the judgemental and old covenant veil of the KJV. But, you will have to decide for yourself through hearing Holy Spirit and following His lead. Grace and peace on your journey.

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  39. Suzanne says:

    The Word of God is Jesus. He is the kindest person I know! The Passion Translation & in particular , Song of Songs, The Journey of the Bride, has brought to me fuel for my passion as never before. His love for us all, & foreknowledge of our future, placed Him on a cross for the joy set before Him! My joy is to spend time with Him & experience His love. John15:12 …love one another as I have loved you. If I don't know His love for me I can't give it away. The second coming is preceded by our love one for another. Not an interpretation but a relationship! The Passion Translation can enhance your relationship with Jesus if you open your heart to the Holy Spirit as you read. There is great treasure to be gained. Don't miss it!!

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  40. pam says:

    The very fact that you deliberately deceived your readers by NOT posting a side-by-side, leads me to believe that you are the dangerous one. People pay attention!!

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  41. Sarah says:

    If you're Holy Spirit led, you won't have a problem with any version of God's Word, He'll keep you on track. If God wants to further our understanding on our identity in Him (He is our one & ONLY source of acceptance, belonging & value) , who are we to tell Him otherwise? I say, Holy Spirit, let the revelations come!! Truly, we all really need to be united, genuinely loving our brothers & sisters in Christ no matter what church they go to, so we can get out into our communities and see miracles, signs & wonders unfold to a hurting world. That's our focus. We need to love people to Life – that's what Jesus did when He was here on earth & what He's still doing today through us, if we"re willing to be obedient to His voice. His blessings to all.

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    • rosinavoz says:

      ' get out into our communities and see miracles, signs & wonders unfold to a hurting world. That's our focus'

      I know you have the best of intentions and I hear the love and concern for others in your comment. But miracles, signs, and wonders save no one and do not give lasting help or hope to a hurting world. What the world needs desperately is the true gospel of Jesus Christ to be preached/shared so people can understand their wretched spiritual condition before a Holy God, repent of their sins, and be saved from the eternal damnation of hell. That is the greatest miracle of all….salvation. We need to be united around the truth and in our efforts to share that truth with a lost world…not united around false moves of the Holy Spirit that are spreading heretical, biblical teachings and actually distracting the church from its main mission…the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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  42. Dan Rush says:

    There is but one bible….the 1611 King James. Perhaps if we had not dumbed down our language, our culture, our schools, our children and turned into a nation of apostates, abominations and heretics, we would not need to "update" God's word for the "New Generations" wow…now we see the truth of why America will burn in hell.

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  43. streamside says:

    Why would you compare an English version to another English version? That doesn't make any sense. Even the good old King James has poorly translated a lot of verses. Shocking I know! The Hebrew language is so incredibly rich that it's very hard to accurately translate into ANY English bible translation. Don't be afraid of other bible versions. Read the bible your comfortable with and do in depth word and verse studys from the Ancient Hebrew language. Its so much easier to do now days. Years ago I became so Terrified of all the different translations that I ended up with an incredible fear and so confused on what to do. I loved God so much but I stopped reading the bible all together . So many opinions, all fear based. Extreemly unhelpful. Just love God, read your bible with a soft and open heart to hear him. Talk to him about everything that is on your heart and mind. Even your confusion. With humility, maintain a soft heart and an open dialogue with the one who loves you the most in the entire universe. He knows more about you than you do and He will hear and guide you. Help us all father. Blessings.

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    • Maliaj Yang says:

      Yes…Father God…let the day come when there will be "too much love"…..being "right" is not a fruit of the Spirit of God… And I luv the passion version as well as many others….thankful for the very LOGOS AND RHEMA of God

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  44. Amy,

    You say in one of your other blogs, "If we trust in ourselves, there is little room for trusting God and being humble."

    If that's true, aren't we supposed to trust God's Spirit, not man, to interpret the words that he says? Or do you genuinely believe that once a passage of Scripture is translated literally, our minds are capable of understanding it and putting them to proper use through our bodies, leaving the Spirit totally out of it?

    How many times did Jesus say something meaningful to His disciples, and they had no clue what he was talking about? …Was he speaking the wrong language?

    Obviously not, they just needed to be filled with the Holy Spirit to both understand and practice what Jesus was preaching. That's because:

    "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit" (1 Cor. 2:14, NIV).

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  45. So, just like Jesus' disciples weren't capable of understanding and applying Jesus' words with their minds until they were given the Spirit, so we can't use our minds, alone, to interpret words given to us "by the Spirit":

    "This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, *explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.* (1 Cor. 2:13)"

    The explanation can't come through man. You can have a hundred scholars translating the Bible and they can all still be wrong, because they're all relying on that same "human wisdom" that governs that method of Biblical translation, not the Spirit. The reason for this is simple: humans make mistakes, the Holy Spirit doesn't.

    Literal translators have an infamous tendency to be so word-for-word in their translations that the resulting Bible could almost be used to create an entirely different movement than the one that started in the Book of Acts, which is probably the same reason you don't believe that the same church offices and gifts of the Spirit that were available back then are still available today, despite constant research and demonstration to the contrary:
    http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Fire-Response-Mac

    Also, since you're just as concerned about a believer's fruit as I am, here's what that link you gave says about this translator's(and his wife's) fruit:

    "They are people of character and integrity with years of proven and fruitful ministry. They were Sr. Pastors one of the fastest growing mega churches in New England. They have served faithfully for years in the jungles of Central America with the New Tribe Mission organization. They were the directors for The Call New England. They are laid down lovers for Jesus and His Kingdom."

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  46. Bassette, Stephen says:

    Ephesians 4 talks about how Christ gave the church different offices for the purposes of "equipping his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach *unity* in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

    THIS is where the protection from heresy comes from–not man's wisdom, and certainly not from a blog that seeks to tear down other camps in the Body, which goes directly against the verses I just gave above:

    "Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and *blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.* (Eph. 4:14)"

    Also, if "Christ himself" gave us these offices for the purpose of building up His church, we should be fearful and trembling, pouring through the Scriptures deeply (with the aid of the Spirit) before we consider making bold claims that some of these offices, such as "apostle," no longer exist, or else we're the ones bringing monstrous heresies into the church, ourselves. If you say that the gifts and offices are no longer in operation while Scripture doesn't directly say so, then you might as well be claiming that you have new insight or revelation from God, which sounds pretty Pentecostal if you ask me.

    The "completeness" talked about in 1 Cor. 13:10 hasn't come yet, but will come when Jesus returns. He hasn't done that, therefore we still need the gifts and offices Paul talked about for every believer to do all the works God requires of His church. "Seeing face to face" in verse 12 means literally seeing the face of Jesus. Then we will "know fully." Having a Bible doesn't fit the description of "knowing fully," does it? It just means all the secrets and mysteries of the Kingdom are there, but only through God's Spirit can we unlock and practice them, which circles back to my original point.

    So please reconsider what you are saying, and if you still find Simmons at fault, do a thoughtful critique on what you have against Pentecostals and their teaching and prove through Scripture why it's unbiblical. Don't rely on what someone with a fancy degree says like someone living by human wisdom would do.

    Better yet, prayerfully investigate what someone says (like in the book Authentic Fire I linked to above) who disagrees with you and pray that if there's something more, the Spirit would come and reveal it to you, then wait for His answer. I believe that if you do this, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

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  47. Please Approve This says:

    Ephesians 4 talks about how Christ gave the church different offices for the purposes of "equipping his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach *unity* in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

    THIS is where the protection from heresy comes from–not man's wisdom, and certainly not from a blog that seeks to tear down other camps in the Body, which goes directly against the verses I just gave above:

    "Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and *blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.* (Eph. 4:14)"

    Also, if "Christ himself" gave us these offices for the purpose of building up His church, we should be fearful and trembling, pouring through the Scriptures deeply (with the aid of the Spirit) before we consider making bold claims that some of these offices, such as "apostle," no longer exist, or else we're the ones bringing monstrous heresies into the church, ourselves. If you say that the gifts and offices are no longer in operation while Scripture doesn't directly say so, then you might as well be claiming that you have new insight or revelation from God, which sounds pretty Pentecostal if you ask me.

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  48. New Thing says:

    The "completeness" talked about in 1 Cor. 13:10 hasn't come yet, but will come when Jesus returns. He hasn't done that, therefore we still need the gifts and offices Paul talked about for every believer to do all the works God requires of His church. "Seeing face to face" in verse 12 means literally seeing the face of Jesus. Then we will "know fully." Having a Bible doesn't fit the description of "knowing fully," does it? It just means all the secrets and mysteries of the Kingdom are there, but only through God's Spirit can we unlock and practice them, which circles back to my original point.

    So please reconsider what you are saying, and if you still find Simmons at fault, do a thoughtful critique on what you have against Pentecostals and their teaching and prove through Scripture why it's unbiblical. Don't rely on what someone with a fancy degree says like someone living by human wisdom would do.

    Better yet, prayerfully investigate what someone says (like in the book Authentic Fire I linked to above) who disagrees with you and pray that if there's something more, the Spirit would come and reveal it to you, then wait for His answer. I believe that if you do this, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

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    • Sorry about posting extra copies of my last two comments of the longer comment I wrote just before them. I kept getting the "Your comment has been deleted by the moderator" message when posting through my Facebook account, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion that my comments were being "screened out" for being what would probably seem to many readers here to be "off the mark," and therefore not deemed worthy to be posted. So that's why I kept posting under strange names lol. I would delete them now if I saw a function to do that, but I don't, so again, sorry, and thank you for posting them anyway, Amy. 🙂

      If you do see this comment, though, feel free to delete the posts I put under the names "Please Approve This" and "New Thing" since they're just repeats of the comment under "Bassette, Stephen (me)" just before that. I really don't like clutter/spam and I feel bad now that I made this thread look like it has spam in it.

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  49. Polishedarrow says:

    I personally love the passion translation and use them as someone's insight into Gods heart. I use many versions when studying including the Septuagint among other interpretations as my Hebrew and Aramaic are rusty. Honestly, stop the legalism – do you really think the One who holds the universe in His hand is scared of an interpretation? My suggestion is that He's delighted at the gift of worship Brian has in trying to communicate the heart of the Father. We serve a very big, very mighty God. Chill out

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  50. Rucker says:

    A dear sister in the Lord sent me an encouraging word this morning on Messenger. I literally felt the presence of God as I read it because it was right where Jesus was taking me and teaching me. It was so encouraging and I felt so loved by God that he would speak to me and confirm the things that he is doing in my life. I found out from her that it is from the passion translation. That is why I am here checking this out. That is what we that are filled with the Holy Spirit do. I see where the deception is. It is when this comparison is made with two totally different passages of scriptures. I noticed that right away. I too read the actual same passages and it very clear that it's close to the same.as translations are. There was no big taken out of context change. Now I am convinced the enemy is involved in trying to discourage people from reading the passion translation. God is not involved in deception to make a point for or against. I will look more into the passion translation and am definitely leaning towards approval. I will depend on the leading of the Holy Spirit.

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  51. Kelly says:

    So your post is about how the NIV verse 1 – 8 doesn't match up with the NAR 14 – 18 Wow! How dare they do that!

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  52. TC says:

    "Stand up for truth?" Come on get real. Unless I missed something you did not compare the passages "side by side" like you said you were going to. Your NIV is from Proverbs 8:1-11 and then the supposed "comparison" from the Passion Translation is from verse 14-18 Of course they don't match. So who is trying to be deceptive here.

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  53. AKJV 1611 says:

    Anything other than the Authorised (King James) Version 1611 is a perversion of the bible. They are ALL unauthorized and the KJV may be counted among them (it removes the italics from words that the translators put in so one is unable to tell God's words from mans words) is also among them. In the akjv 1611 Jesus says: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth NOTHING: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, they ARE SPIRIT, and they are life. (John 6:63) The words of men are of no profit to the hearer! The do NOT and CANNOT impart life and therefore cannot SAVE! The words of ungodly men are only a profit unto themselves….pocket wise. The bible says "They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 1:25). The AKJV translators were godly men. The creators of perversions of the bible were (and are) ungodly men (and women) and sodomites. Not only do these perversions attack the deity of Christ and His virgin birth but they delete entire verses and make light of the consequences of sin. Only the ignorant or the unsaved could say "if something inspires you and allows you to feel the love of God and Jesus why create these debates.?". This is a person who is deceived. Many of the comments reveal that the persons are deceived. They speak from experience and not from the bible. The true and only source of love comes from God and His son Jesus Christ…this is revealed in His word. If you wrote a book about yourself, that details who you are, how to get to your house and avoid going down a steep hill which leads to a bottomless pit, should those who stand to be judged on the basis of their conclusions, read and study the book that YOU WROTE or should they study a book or combination of books, written ABOUT you that changes, no matter how subtle, what you have written about yourself? Further, if your book needed to be translated into another language, would you not choose as the translators, those who would pervert your instructions, thereby leading others astray, or those who have shown themselves faithful to your word? As a student, wouldn't you want to do a comparison of the books in question and know something of the background and history of the translators before coming to a conclusion, given that a conclusion based upon false information will most certainly cause you to fall into the pit? You are deceived if you can approach this subject with such a careless attitude and can say, "well as long as I FEEL divine love…" without His true word you cannot determine if what you feel is true. (Proverbs 3:5) "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

    God IS true…it is man who is the liar. (Proverbs 30: 5-6) " Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." There is one unchanging God: (Malachi 3:6) "For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." HIS word do not change: (Psalms 12: 6-7) "The words of the LORD are pure words:as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever. (Mark 13:31) "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." The words of the NIV, KJV, ESV, ASV, NASB, Holman Study bible and the host of other perversions are not the words of God they are the words of men. They are anti-Christ.

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