The Gospel soapbox

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Does your church preach the Gospel each and every time, or just some times?  Today we are continuing our discussion on why we believe it is of utmost importance to share the Gospel at every opportunity. In the Seeker Driven, Emergent and Progressive models, we have seen a trend away from this emphasis, focusing instead on life stories, morality or social issues. And while those things are good, those are the Law, not the Gospel. Today we’re going to share several resources with you to help you understand what the Gospel is, and is not. And if you haven’t heard Pastor Voddie Baucham’s sermon on this, it is the best 57 minutes you’ll spend! Take the time to listen:

Other resources are included below.


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5 Responses to The Gospel soapbox

  1. c says:

    I'm happy to hear you also included baptism in your rhetoric, but this is also a literal step needed in the walk. I've been churched my whole life and someone from another faith pointed out the baptism of immersion, like Jesus explained to Nicodemus. I've heard it, read it but no one around me actually thinks the actual act is important but Jesus says it quite clearly. Its funny how John 3:16 is so prominent but not the beginning of the real 3:16 message. So not only is the gospel most important but the physical action we are told to take to ensure our faith is sealed in his promise. I suggest if we are to say to read and take the bible as truth that its most important to include the full message. Its not just 3:16, its the whole chapter 3, which gives full example of what Jesus expects us to relay.

    If you read the whole chapter in a nutshell He explains: We are called to take heed to the remission of our sin and fully grasp and run starting at the water and immerse yourself in the blood of Jesus with basptism and then believe in the assurance of his promises, Christ goes on after to ignite the church by making sure his disciples are with him as they baptized and spent time together. John the baptist goes on to continue his ministry but decreasing to allow Jesus to take center stage. His example wasn't just a mental decision.

    This is what makes me weary even of your show because I've heard of you literally taking the word of God as authority but you aren't including our one physical act of worship in the beginning of our walk. This is very important, never had I been asked once if I wanted to be baptised in the spirit to be born again, I'm in my late 30's. So my concern is yes we have this great mental gospel message but there are few preaching and presenting the whole message.

    What freaks me out is this: John 3:3–In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
    3:5–Jesus answered , "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. (6) Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to the spirit. (7) You should not be surprised at my saying, "YOU MUST be born again."

    Jesus fully shows all of us what he means when he further is shown what he means in physical action to finish out the chapter. There are many places to say to take him at word and many scriptures that show us he does this physical action to help others to help them except his mental, spiritual message.

    I'm just saying if you want churches to give the gospel message all the time, then the physical commitment part should be offered as well and people should stop picking and choosing what parts are more important when the truth is every little letter and syllable, its all of the message.
    Each religion has its important doctrine and ceremony but when Jesus says it plainly, and its not taken to be literal. Completely sad.

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    • Amy Spreeman says:

      I agree with you, and — if you're not too weary of us yet — you'll hear your comment on the program tomorrow.
      By the way, I was once part of a church that did baptisms each and every Sunday. I wish every church did that.

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  2. Mr Davis says:

    To clear something up. The nessesity of being born again is what Christ Jesus and Nicodemus were discussing in John 3 not baptism in water by the hand of some man. And being born again is by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. This is explained further in Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:25-27, 31-32, Jeremiah 31:33-34

    I am not writting the following because I have this all figured out but because I am beginning to see the depth of what was accomplished in and through Christ.

    I have to agree by and large the gospel has been reduced to the life, death, burial and resurrection of Christ and finally His assention to the right hand of the Father. Sometimes it is thrown in or included that this was all accomplished as it was recorded before hand in the Scriptures.

    There is much we don't understand in this: we don't understand what sin is. We don't understand who we sin against. For we have made God in our image after a manner suitable to ourselves and so we don't understand how we cannot come to God because we will not. Scriptures teach us we are dependant on God to act. We need Him to be merciful towards us because our offense is not against some mortal man, but a holy,infinate, eternal God and we all stand condemned before Him for only those Holy as He is Holy may come into His presence. We should find we are at the mercy of the one we offended! We have offended God almighty who is by definition Love.

    We do not understand: To not seek His mercy, His forgiveness, is to declare there was no offense, I was right in my action, I need no forgiveness. For such a one the wages of sin is death and not just any death the death that is called the Lake of Fire which even Hell itself will be cast into. There we will suffer death for eternity on for the one we offended is eternal and infinately righteous and just so then the punishment must be the same.

    We don't understand how or why a perfect and holy God man would want to soil himself with our filth and not just ours, the sins of all who have or will ever exist. Why it had to be God, the Christ, the Messiah, to do this, and not just a man who God would appoint. He, God himself would have to take on Human flesh and come the same way all men come by birth as a baby. So it was that Christ Jesus did not bear the original sin transfered down through the ages in the seed of man, for by the one man Adam, sin entered the world and death by sin and so death has passed to all mankind. Christ Jesus came by the seed of a woman, mother of all the living, the virgin Eve who is called Mary and so He would be called the quickening Spirit.

    Nor do we understand the sacrifice had to be perfect. Christ did not take on human flesh just to take our filth upon himself and bear it but to bear it and the entire wrath of God for those sins in Himself to the end, His death, for He would make His soul and offering for our sins and by His blood we are cleansed, God Himself through Christ would suffer for us in our rightful place under Gods wrath. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him. The sacrifice had to be perfect, of the same type, and willing to act on our behalf knowing the full cost of what would be exacted because of what we have done. Tell me how this could be fulfilled by anyone but God who is all knowing, eternal and infinate.

    Nor do we understand His burial. His burial in a tomb cut out of the rock, sealed with a large stone would afford a mere mortal man no chance of escape. There was a guard set to watch to ensure none would. His bodily resurection after 3 days and 3 nights would prove: He who made everything and holds everything together by His divine power needs no doors, nor for men to make for Him a way of escape. The same power which raised Christ from the dead regenerates us day by day, quickening our mortal flesh, so we likewise have the power to overcome sin and the death sin leads to. He Himself is proof He has conquered sin and death for God was pleased with what He offered.

    Nor do we understand authority and what it means to operate under the authority of Christ. This is because we have grown accustomed to our own authority. We have no grasp that His authority extends to all of creation. All of it. Even the Demons acknowledged the Christ and they shudder. Even in the Godhead Christ authority extends to the Holy Spirit, whom He sent to us and the world to do His bidding and to testify to Christ in the hearts of men. Christ authority is extended to the born again by the Holy Spirit of Promise that we may live for His glories sake and not our own sake. That we would have power to testify to the truth of all that was accomplished in and through Christ and the life He calls the regenerate to live and walk in. The newness of Life seperated from our old ways and the lusts of our flesh and our self will, submitting to Him who is true, the author and creator of life in whom we all live move and have our being, calling all men everywhere to be reconcilled to God through Christ Jesus our Lord. To repent of our unbelief and believe and so act according to that new belief. To become a disciple of Christ Jesus and be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, to learn to do all that christ has Commanded us and Lo Christ is with us always unto the end of the age.

    Oh there is so little we understand, so little we know, it is a wonder we share any Gospel at all and perhaps why the gospel we do share carries so little power.

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation , and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow , of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed , not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

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  3. Marie says:

    Luke 23:39-43
    "Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him (Jesus), saying, "If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us." But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, "Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?" "And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong." Then he said to Jesus , "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom." And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

    These Scriptures give us the hope that lies only in Jesus Christ, and Him alone. I love these Scriptures as they cut to the heart; Jesus, our LORD and Savior, having mercy and grace on a dirty, disgusting criminal….a cancer on all of mankind whose life was full of issues…..unworthy of life according to man's ways. And yet, we see God, in the flesh, showing mercy and grace towards one of the thieves who shows clear remorse of his deeds, knowing full well that he was receiving the penalty of his crime.

    And Jesus, knowing what was inside of this thief, says to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Can we, as human beings in this world right now…..truly fathom the Holiness and the Living Sacrifice of what Jesus has done for us? Nowhere do I find in the Scriptures that this thief was baptized with water, whether it was the sprinkling method or the full immersion method. He was accepted into the Kingdom of God without any works of the flesh………..none, period.

    Who then becomes the judge here on this earth, deciding which one of us enters the Kingdom of Heaven. Does that grandmother or grandfather, who lived in rebellion towards Christ her whole life, except right before she dies, then accepts the free gift of Jesus Christ and life eternal life through Him, right before she passes away. These people are not baptized with water physically, so do they perish because they did not get baptized literally with water? Or what about that prisoner of war held in every nation of this world, who the Holy Spirit leads to faith in Jesus Christ alone and choses to follow Him apart from receiving water baptism, which may not be available by a pastor so to speak. What then. Are these people condemned to hell?

    And what about the Scriptures:

    Acts 1:4-5 NKJV
    "And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, "which," He said, "you have heard from Me,"for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

    I love this verse…."the Promise of the Father" which is baptism with the Holy Spirit….notice, no works from the flesh (man) here….only from our Father who is in Heaven. No works from man…..only of the Spirit of our Father. Yes, it is indeed difficult for our minds to even comprehend because we like to believe that man is in control, not our Father.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 NKJV

    "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free–and have all been made to drink into one Spirit."

    How can we as believers "drink" into one Spirit? Is it with literal water or is it by God, the Holy Spirit, Who cannot be contained with human hands?

    Can we fully understand the depth of God, the Holy Spirit, moving on this earth and throughout the universe He created? I believe all of us have a difficult time trying to understand this. We must remember, that our bodies contain the soul, and when we pass away, our physical bodies still remain here, those physical bodies that may or may not have received a physical baptism according to man, and our soul departs from us awaiting those new glorious bodies found only in Christ, and Him Alone.

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  4. Dan says:

    What then is the mark of belief, of faith in the living God? Is it not repentance and continuing in repentance? To repent is to turn from disobedience (sin) and walk in obedience (righteousness) to Christ. The Longer you walk with Christ being born again of the will of God, our understanding of the Christ who is Jesus, The Father, The Holy Spirit deepens, our understanding of sin deepens as an offense, as treachery, even mutiny against God (Who by the way alone is worthy of all praise, Who is by definition Love ). The more we see the contrast between our sinfulness and God’s Holiness we come to desire (love) God more because in Him there is no sin. Rather than promoting our self will, we loath it for this self will is set against God at every point. In our desperation to be free of sin that comes through the self will we cry out to the only one who is mighty to save, who alone can save us from this body of death and will save us. We plead with He who can do such things, work obedience in us by the Power of the Holy Spirit, so that we will no longer be subject to our own will but His will.

    1 John 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. 18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true–even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. 21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

    Romans 14:23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

    Christ has commanded we associate with Him in baptism a symbol of His death burial and resurrection. It also apparent that baptism was the first step of faith, of obedience, in the new testament and was a sign to other believers the person being baptized was no longer their own but was now Christ’s and part of His body. This practice has been twisted over the years to include those who could not act out of faith in Christ for themselves. So others would speak on their behalf and in a manner include the child in their faith even though this isn’t possible. God is clear we cannot speak for one another regarding faith. We cannot will another to believe and it come to pass. see John 1:13 This baptism then is nothing but the sin of presumption.

    But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so , that ye suffer for well doing , than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient , when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing , wherein few, that is , eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, (((but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.))) 1 Peter 3:15-22

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