Issues of faith, Friday edition

Beth Moore at the Passion Conference

Today we continue two conversations. First, former Idaho Legislator Curtis Bowers is back with us to talk about his local appearance and the impact his movie,  Agenda: Grinding America Down, is having on the nation. You can watch the trailer and order the DVD by clicking here.

In the second half, we’re talking about an issue most Christians have strong opinions about: Women in pastoral ministry. Ouch! There are a lot of opinions in the Body of Christ but only one Authority. We open this can of worms with you today to encourage you to go to God’s Word on this and all issues.

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One Response to Issues of faith, Friday edition

  1. Mr Davis says:

    I am not laying this out to slam what we are doing but because it hasn't been practiced for so long that we have just assumed our normal practice is in accordance with the truth, when it may not be.

    We have forgotten, if at any point we have to contradict the scriptures to do what we think the scriptures say we are to do we are in error. This however is what we promote through our practice in our traditional Sunday worship services.

    How can I say this? The will of God is perfect, the Word of God is perfect, God's word is perfect. To be perfect is to be without contradiction.

    We would do well to heed Christ's warning to us in Matthew and Luke.

    Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

    47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep , and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

    49 But he that heareth , and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

    Paul was sent to the Gentile churches to put those fellowships in order by Jesus Christ himself. What He wrote to the Corinthian Church is what Paul taught everywhere in every church so the cultural argument has no merit. 1 Corinthians 4:17

    When are women to be silent: when in the presence of men unless called on by the men to speak or testify and then by her husbands approval lest she overstep what she has been asked to do by the body. Therefore, women when you are speaking watch your husband. When all are together and things are discussed or stated that raise questions, Paul requests that she remain silent and ask her husband at home because it is more important to solidify the family and the home, than to openly oppose what is being said. She should let the husband be the spokesperson for the family if any opposition must be spoken. Thats his job. Children need to follow mom's example here.

    When the men are gathered they are suposed to be exercising their gifts in the ministering of the one anothers. If in anything a man needs to be corrected that should be done in the presence of the other men appart from the women if at all possible. This is for his sake and the sake of his wife. She must not lose faith in his ability to lead or teach, it may cause them to sin for they may be tempted to follow someone other than their own husband and look elsewhere for instruction. For this reason instruction of the men apart from the wives perhaps should be practiced lest also a man be tempted to lay aside his God given responsibilities thinking himself not suitable to the task for others he deems are more suitable for instructing his own wife and children. In reality none of us are, none are perfect, and when we compare ourselves against one another we make ourselves fools, our standard is Christ, He alone is perfect, He alone is right. So we should be about the edification of one another when we come together so that all the men are equiped more and more in the conduct of their own homes as they walk in fellowship with other believers. Who knows these men may become elders themselves, God willing.

    What of the women?
    If the audience is mainly women, then there is only the commands to submit to one another and wait on one another and prefering one another as well as the other one anothers. Accept the word from the older saints who have fruit in their lives backing up their words as evidenced in the conduct of the family. By fruit I don't mean heath and wealth but Galatians 5:22-23, 1 Corinthians 13. When instructing, hold to Titus 2:3-5 as much as possible, encouraging one another to learn from your own husbands instead of looking for answers elsewhere especially other men. Thats his job and God intends to use him to that end. It will only serve to drive a wedge between you and your husband if you ignor this. Obviously as women you will have to go to the old testiment in order to flesh out Titus 2:4-5. If an elder is present let him interject if things are a little off and then mainly to maintain good order and discipline. If not be very careful how you address anything said lest you come between a man and his wife and destroy both in the process.

    In the home if the mom speaks to the children, she is speaking as an oracle of her husband. In the same way when a man speaks, he speaks as if he were an oracle from God. 1 Peter 4, 1 Cor 11. When the children don't mind mom, dad should nip that in the but by whatever is nessecary to accomplish that. The children must respect her as if she were dad. If she speaks and it is not your word, don't correct her in front of the children or within their hearing. Back her as if she did speak your words so that their confidence in her doesn't waver. Take care how you correct her she is a coheir with Christ just as you are and moreover she is God's daughter. Think if someone mistreated your daughter what you would do. Fear God even more, therefore be gentle and not harsh. Be patient as the Lord your God is patient with you and doesn't destroy you at the first hint of rebellion. He would be just to do so.

    Moms if your husband speaks, don't openly oppose him in front of the children, your family or his family, and take care how you approach him in private. He is learning his way just as you are and none are perfect, but, this man has given his life to you, and you to him so play your part and trust him to God. Back your husband even if you know he is wrong and pray. Give God room to work on him and respect him as one who has to give an account before God for how he is leading. If you need to speak, intreat him as one seeking his favor and not out of insubordination. See Ester's conduct in the OT for an example of what that looks like. Win him over by your behavior and possibly a word won't even be nessesary.

    1 Peter 3:

    1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

    4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

    Nothing will bring panic into a home like a mom coming unglued from the direction of her husband. So remain steady. Remember Romans 8:28 and trust God with your husband. That sinful man cannot possibly stand against God or thwart His plans.

    May God bless you all, and keep you steadfast in Christ Jesus unto the end.



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