What to make of The Harbinger mystery

One of the most popular and controversial books to hit the Christian market these past few months is The Harbinger, The Ancient Mystery that Holds The Secret Of America’s Future by Jonathan Cahn, a Messianic Jewish Rabbi  who we interviewed on this program twice. This perspective is my own, and doesn’t necessarily reflect our ministry as a whole:

On February 7th we were among the first to interview Cahn about his new best-seller.  As I sat down to prepare that day’s podcast post, I picked up the book and examined its contents. I hadn’t read it, but within a few seconds a red flag popped up for me on the front of the book:

“What you are about to read is presented in the form of a story, but what is contained within the story is real.”

On the back of the book, I read this:

Is it possible…

That there exists an ancient mystery that holds the secret of America’s future?

That this mystery lies behind everything from 9/11 to the collapse of the global economy?

That ancient harbingers of judgment are now manifesting in America?

That God is sending America a prophetic message of what is yet to come?

Before its destruction as a nation, ancient Israel received nine harbingers, prophetic omens of warning. The same nine harbingers are now manifesting in America with immediate ramifications for end-time prophecy.

Hidden in an ancient biblical prophecy from Isaiah, the mysteries revealed in The Harbinger are so precise that they foretold recent American events down to the exact days. The revelations are so specific that even the most hardened skeptics will find it hard to dismiss or put down. It sounds like the plot of a Hollywood thriller with one exception… IT’S REAL.

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Secrets? Hidden truths? If the book is fiction being promoted as truth, how are we to read this story?

As we were going live in 20 minutes, I decided to ask Jonathan about this directly. First we spoke off air as the introduction music was playing. I immediately found him to be kind, humble and gracious. I told him that I would like to ask him about the red flags on this secret mystery, and he said it was not Gnosticism and that he would be happy to dispel and address any concerns.  The program began, and I introduced him.


Amy:  Jonathan, the full title of the book is The Harbinger, The Ancient Mystery that Holds The Secret Of America’s Future. I know we probably have some listeners who might have a red flag of discernment or two, saying, “wait a minute, mystery secret, what’s that all about in he Bible?”

Jonathan Cahn:  There can be mysteries that are not biblical and mysteries that are  biblical. Paul talks about the mystery of the Gospel, so mystery  is something that was not seen and is now revealed. So this one is totally biblical.

Though I didn’t care for the Gnostic-style language on the cover and the accompanying promotional material, I felt a little more at ease, and we began to dissect the story. It was a fascinating interview. The book features a character known as The Prophet who mysteriously reveals nine seals with secret messages meant to hold the secret that God wants America to repent from its sin and become a Godly nation once again. I agree with that warning, at least in the sense that we can repent and have a revival on an individual basis. I think it is unrealistic to expect an entire nation to repent (or a state or village, for that matter), for obvious reasons.
I have now read the book and watched the entire accompanying video titled, The Isaiah 9:10 Judgement. Here is the trailer:

Even after a second interview, other questions continue to nag at me and at others. Concerns like:

  • Why infer that God is giving extra-biblical revelation, when the Bible was given once and for all to the saints?
  • Israel is not America, and God did not make a covenant with us, nor are we the apple of His eye.
  • Is the publisher pronouncing Rabbi Cahn a foretelling prophet?
  • What else has the publisher put out there?
Others have done research on these and more that is excellent. I want to share the concerns of several other discernment ministries and writers so that you can get their perspective and make up your own mind.  Some are Bible scholars, others are pastors, and others have been born again from Gnostic or New Age backgrounds and can hear some familiar themes. I appreciate the input and the different giftings and styles of these watchmen:

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Radio host Brannon Howse asked Jonathan directly about several concerns he had such as whether the book promoted Replacement Theology. Brannon thought Cahn explained these concerns well, but still had some lingering concerns about some discrepancies between what the book is reporting about prophets verses what the Bible says.  Additionally, he asks questions about whether it is a good idea to be interviewed on Glenn Beck’s show about how America needs to get back to God (but not the same god Glenn Beck follows).

Brannon explains why he believes that The Harbinger is exposing evangelicals to what they normally would not accept and questions why evangelicals and “discernment ministry” leaders that claim to be watchmen on the wall would not see the problem with The Harbinger or Cahn’s associations.

Brannon also expresses his concern that Jan Markell at WorldNetDaily has Cahn on her ministry website as speaking at her fall conference. Jan has also written that Cahn “…got stuck with unraveling a code given to him by God.” God is not giving extra-biblical revelation.  Listen here.


Like many Christians who have come out of occultic, mystical or New Age backgrounds, researcher Christine Pack found some revealing statements in the book’s pages that prompted her to investigate:
There is an exchange between two of the characters in The Harbinger who are discussing a secret message from a mysterious character (“The Prophet”) in the book:
“It’s the appointed time, but not for an ancient nation. It’s time for the word to be given…..for the mystery to be revealed…..for the message to go forth. It’s the appointed time⎯but not for an ancient nation.” (The Harbinger, p 13)
Friends, anytime you see language like this, and like the language below (also from The Harbinger)…..
■ “ancient mystery hidden for thousands of years……but now revealed”
■ a “mystery” that holds a “secret” to our future
■ “clues” needed to “unlock” a mystery
■ “messages” that need to be “unveiled”
……what you are dealing with is an ancient heresy called Gnosticism.
Gnosticism is a very old heresy that teaches that the truth has to be decoded, uncovered, unlocked, unveiled, discovered.
Secret Knowledge = Gnosticism
Gnosticism is a heresy because, according to God, we are given all that we need for life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3) in God’s word. We don’t need to decode secret mysteries, unravel sealed up messages, decipher clues, or pull back the veil on hidden things. All that we need, all that God wants us to know, is contained in the Bible. Now, I will grant that in the New Testament, Paul does talk about the mystery of Gentiles and Jews being united together in a common church and common faith (something that could have scarcely been imagined in Old Testament times). There is also the mystery of Jesus Christ, who was dimly glimpsed through types and shadows in the Old Testament, but Who was gloriously revealed in his fullness as our Savior in the New Testament. But these are mysteries which are laid open for all to see and know and understand and respond to, and not clues on a Mysterious Journey to Somewhere (which is really the more western understanding of the word “mystery”).
“I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob’s descendants, ‘Seek me in vain.’ I, the LORD, speak the truth; I declare what is right.”(Isaiah 45:19)
As a former Gnostic, I found great comfort as a born again Christian in understanding that all that God truly wants me to know He has plainly revealed in his Word. I spent more than a decade of my life as a New Ager/Gnostic going from teaching to teaching to teaching. I lost track of how many conferences I went to, books I purchased, teachers and gurus that I sought out, all in an effort to find truth. My quest for truth was sincere, but truth proved to be surprisingly elusive to attain. By the time God saved me, I was weary. I was worn out. I didn’t have it in me to go after One More Thing. All I could think of at the end was that I wanted rest, just a little bit of rest, from all my fruitless searching. The Lord, in his infinite mercy, gave me rest by rescuing me out of the mire of man-made wisdom and giving me the elegant simplicity of his Word. There is such a lovely purity and clarity in knowing that I can rest securely in the knowledge that all that God wants me to know I can find in the Bible.
Read Christine’s in-depth research here.

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Ken Silva shares some good points and links to questions and concerns many Christians are voicing, including a review from Dr. Gary Gilley, as well as one from David James about some biblical discrepancies and serious flaws on prophetic matters. Then Ken asks what I think is an important question.

“This brings me to the critical issue I spoke of earlier: Is Jonathan Cahn trying to have his cake and eat it too? In other words, is The Harbinger really prophesy or is it fiction? He cannot have it both ways, which it appears to me he is trying to do.  Allowing himself to be portrayed a prophet but leaving an escape hatch open by also claiming fiction.”

While Rabbi Cahn never claims to be a prophet, many others are doing so. Pat Robertson have pronounced the book a “prophetic word.” Does this mean it is a Thus Sayeth The Lord binding word?

Here are many other articles, some in favor of and some with additional concerns about The Harbinger. I encourage you to research these, respect where the authors come from and consider whether Christians are getting more than the message that everyone is in complete agreement with: That America is indeed in serious trouble, and needs a course correction.

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25 Responses to What to make of The Harbinger mystery

  1. Amy: Secrets? Hidden truths? If the book is fiction being promoted as truth, how are we to read this story?
    You would read it the same way you would read parables. Truth can be presented many different ways for the benefit of the audience. From Matthew 5-13, Jesus directly presented truth. After Matthew 13, He stopped. Do you know why? His disciples asked him because it was such a radical shift. A better question would be, did God tell you to present what you learned in fictional story?
    Amy: I agree with that warning, at least in the sense that we can repent and have a revival on an individual basis. I think it is unrealistic to expect an entire nation to repent (or a state or village, for that matter), for obvious reasons.
    Why would that be unrealistic? Ninavah did it and all Jonah did was walk into a city and yell, 40 days God’s going to take you all out. And they ALL repented. (my paraphrase)
    Amy: Why infer that God is giving extra-biblical revelation, when the Bible was given once and for all to the saints?
    I agree to infer that God is giving extra-biblical revelation seems like a stretch. However in the Bible, there is a pattern to how God deals with individuals and nations. The book is trying to make people aware of this pattern.
    Amy: Israel is not America, and God did not make a covenant with us, nor are we the apple of His eye.
    Has God told you that? I don’t know, it isn’t in the Bible one way or the other. Are you saying that God would not interact with America the same way He interacted with Israel? A way to clear this up would be to understand how God interacted with other countries/cities.


  2. Amy Spreeman says:

    Hi Maria,
    I just got done sharing Jonathan Cahn's response to this article, and you can find it here:
    Harbinger author Johnathan Cahn answers questions: http://standupforthetruth.com/2012/06/harbinger-a


  3. Keven McCloud says:

    I am a Christian and with so many different views being tossed around in film and books on all fronts, what am I truly to believe. The only answer that I keep getting is to prey on it. What does that mean anyway? When the answers never come, Hope? And wait as life passes by?


  4. Janet Flynn says:

    Biblical scholars are attacking the book and its author in a major way. I have since read most of the criticism and perhaps they will stand within a class of students at a Christian college examining/splitting hairs over ancient text. For me, I don't think the difference between smoothe stones and cut stones is going to matter 1 hill of beans in eternity. Consider the changes in wording that occurred in the NIV from the 'original' KJV.

    I do not believe that the US as a country has a covenant relationship with God. I do believe that every one who has bowed his/her knee and asked to be forgiven has received the miracle of New Birth and is now part of the New Covenant under Grace with Jesus Christ as Messaiah. I don't need to get into pre Millenial or post Millenial or Trib , etc. Let the scholars argue their points – I just need to keep my eyes fixed on Jesus and listen to Him to lead me and guide me. His Word tells me He IS TRUTH, LIFE and the WAY. That's enough for me.

    The bottom line for me in reading the book was simply a wakeup call to me and any and all of us who profess to be Christians and hope to get to heaven. Our country is in big trouble. Reading the current news is enough when Jamie Faxx can proclaim Obama as the Messiah. Our God of the Bible is profaned and attacked in ways I never could even imagine 30+ years ago but it's OK and labeled as 'free speech' today. I want to crawl into a hole someplace and wake up when this nonsense is done. But that's my foolishness and I know that can't happen. So I will stay my post and keep on keepin' on by forwarding good news to you as it comes to me.


  5. Jack Rawlins says:

    First, I recently have found your podcasts and I greatly appreciate what both Mike and Amy do. It is needed and your perspective is usually balanced and Biblical.

    WRT the Harbinger and Cahn, there has been so much written that it would do little good to repost anything here. Three observations:

    1) Of the three other ministries you reference, none support the Harbinger. Why not link to WND or Olive Tree for another side?
    2) The core message of the Harbinger is one of repentance. What Cahn has given us is a set of factual observations and woven them into a story from a Biblical reference or perspective. Is that all bad?
    3) Have you read the book? Those that have read it and take issue with it is one thing. But there are many that admit to not having read it, or reading only the cover and maybe a select few pages. Yet they are fine to rely on the reporting of others. Which category do you fall in.

    This too will pass. What I pray doesn't pass is the call to repentance.


    • Amy Spreeman says:

      Thank you Jack, for your thoughtful comment. I had already linked to Olive Tree in this article. Also, elsewhere on our site we have done some supportive links as well as three interviews with Rabbi Cahn, and the reason that I posted this article was to offer a more balanced approach.

      Yes, the core message is repentance, and he does give the full Gospel in his book. And yes, both Mike and I have read it.

      I do not consider most of the questions raised as an attack, though there are some who have been harsh–I don't care for that approach at all. But on the other side, I am a little concerned that those who do raise valid concerns are being thrown under the bus, and their solid ministries and reputations are being maligned by some.

      What is happening within discernment ministries certainly is interesting. I would say (and I think Rabbi Cahn would even agree), that The Harbinger is probably the most talked about and divisive book in 2012.


  6. Mary Ellen DeBord says:

    Do you not think this is the Holy Spirit's way of showing us how our disobedience to God is going to to play out? We are at risk of being taken over by other countries, but we are not paying attention. We are no different from the northern tribes of Israel or from the tribe of Judah in the south of Israel when Isaiah tried to warn them. They were defiant against. His message was not accepted by the north or south and the Assyrians and Babylonians captured them. The tribe of Judah spent 70 years in Babylon to repay the number of years they disobeyed the Laws God gave to Moses. They were to let the fields lie fallow during the seventh year and were not forgiving debt. Who is listening as our government is taking away our religious rights? Who understands that without our obedience to God we lose his protection? The northern Israelites and the Tribe of Judah learned the hard way. Will we have a new Mattathias who will lead the charge against those performing the desolating abominations? All believers must be the new Mattathias. We must all try to stop the desolating abominations against the laws of God. If not, we may all be destroyed.


  7. Thomas says:

    The writer of this book and Sid Roth are both Zionist Illuminati. It is my belief they are forecasting "God's judgment" in a very specific place at a specific time, because they have inside information on these so called "judgments." Remember, there were five Israelis captured "celebrating" and videotaping the collapse of the World Trade Center. At least two of these men turned out to be Mossad–Israeli Special Intelligence. Quite frankly, I believe they are preparing another attack on this nation, which will lead to the collapse of all economic systems, and usher in the formation of a One World Government, along with micro chipping of the entire world population in accordance with Revelation 13.

    If you listen to the way these men speak–including Sid Roth–you can clearly see they are not of the seed of Christ, but are of the seed of Rothchild Illuminati, and there purpose is to brainwash people. Please do not believe the false Christ who will burst on to the scene in the near future, because Jesus said, "if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."' He will be coming back with his angels, and all the world will behold His glory, and these Illuminati Masonic devils will look upon Him whom they have pierced!!!


  8. Thomas says:

    The book centers around a passage of scripture regarding God's judgment of Israel, because they worshipped false gods, and they are using that as a basis to say "God is going to judge America." Does America have much to repent for? Absolutely! However, if you listen close to them, you will hear they speak of God's judgment is because we want Israel to "share land" with the Palestinians. What it sounds like to me is they are angry over this notion, and are going to take matters into their own hands. Some Jews have openly called for assignation of Obama, which goes to show the lengths they will go for Zionism.

    As a Christian, I reject these Zionist who are posing as followers of Christ. Revelation 2;9. If you ask me, they should be worry about themselves. They had a long history of indulging in cabala, and I believe many of these Zionist have given themselves over to that and masonic rituals. They were rebuked by Stephen in Acts 7:43 just before they stoned him to death for worshipping these false gods, and it is clear they're still engaged in these practices given the star on their nations flag. There's absolutely no Biblical reference to support this as anything other than he star, which God forbade in Amos 5:7 and Stephen openly rebuked them for in Acts 7:43. This Six point—666–star is the star of Rephan, not David.

    Acts 7 43 – Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel? You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek and the star of your god Rephan the idols you made to worship. Therefore I will send you into exile’ beyond Babylon.


    • rae ekaf says:

      Sorry, bub, that's not Israel of the bible. God's people are now those who follow Christ, not adhere to the Babylonian Talmud which says Christ is burning in a vat of excrement in hell. And not a people who worship a "land" and call themselves "chosen" when it is plainly evident that such a people are antichrist.


  9. Mary says:

    Yes, Thomas. You are correct in your information. Many of the leaders in Israel as well as here in America are involved with the masons/illuminati and other nefarious organizations. And we know who their spiritual leader is.

    The Harbinger is indeed a book written by man for man…and is not inspirited by God, the Holy Spirit. God never intended for man to write books and market them in Hes name…..anotherwords, to make money off of using the name of God, let alone prophesy a false prophecy and capitalize on it.

    God, our Father, does not have a covenant with America, only His people Israel…and not of the flesh Israel, but of the Spirit. For the true followers of Christ are grafted into God's Israel, not by blood, but through belief in His Son, Jesus Christ. For there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the ecclesia, or called out ones, who follow Jesus in spirit and in truth. The physical is passing away, but the spiritual lives forever in either heaven or hell.

    "The Harbinger" is a good story, but false doctrine as far as God's Word is concerned. One of our local churches actually used this book as a Bible Study on Sundays before the service. But they failed to compare it with God's Word and the couple who led this study are a part of the "lying signs and wonders" movement. These types of religious people have lives of following every wind of teaching, but never come to the true knowledge of Christ and His teachings. I guess man's teachings are far more exciting than Jesus' ways.


    • Mary Ellen DeBord says:

      Isaiah 40 asks God to comfort his people, to expiate the guilt of Jerusalem as she received double for all her sins. (The Israelites turned away from God and worshipped the gods of baal, offered up their children as sacrifices allowing themselves to be confused for financial gain.) They were captured and destroyed by the Assyrians and Babylonians.

      Isaiah said, "A voice cries out in the desert, prepare the way of the Lord. Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God….Then the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all mankind shall see it together for the mouth of the Lord has spoken."

      A voice says, "Cry out!" "All mankind is grass, and all their glory like a flower of the field, the grass withers, the flower wilts, when the breath of the Lord blows upon it. Though the grass withers and the flower wilts, the word of our God stands forever."

      St. John the Baptist, who was of the priestly tribe of Aaron, called people to repentance and baptized with water. He made straight the way of our Lord, our Messiah, Jesus Christ, through whose blood sacrifice we were redeemed and who gave us the New Covenant with God. We become God's people through baptism by the Spirit through repentance and by loving God and our neighbor. We come to repentance by reviewing how well we follow the 10 Commandments and by seeking God's forgiveness for our transgressions. Today we have many priests and ministers who make straight the way of the Lord through baptism. Like a shepherd God feeds his flock, in his arms he gathers the lambs, carrying them in his bosom and leading the ewes with care.

      Whom did Rabbi Cahn consult to gain knowledge of repentance throughout baptism? Who taught him the path of judgment or showed him the way of understanding? The prophets of the Old Testament and the Apostles of the New Testament by the power of the Holy Spirit. He teaches us how Christ was the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

      Rabbi Cahn calls all people to repentance through baptism to receive salvation. He is one man of many whose voices are being heard in the darkness, who are bringing the Word to light the way for the glory of God. He is telling people to glorify God by loving God above all things and to love others as ourselves. If we don't, we too will lose God's protection. Why would we be any different? We cannot continue killing the innocent, marrying people of the same sex, causing people to go against their conscience by paying for others to abort their unborn and supporting euthanasia without losing God's protection. He got our attention by explaining the meaning of Isaiah 9:10 and how our country's leaders have spoken these words of defiance against God without a true understanding of their meaning.

      What will be God's expiation for our sins? Is the breath of the Lord already blowing upon us? Be ready; be right with the Lord.


  10. Warren baker says:

    It seems that Rabbi Cahn is being measured with the orthodoxy ruler. He tells a story based on a fictional background that blends actual events that took place in America. We could name a slew of books that present something spiritual as though it was the gospel. All the books written about heaven and about near death experiences are treated as factual by most,yet how is one to know about something that is yet to be revealed. My biggest complaint is about orthodoxy. In Jesus's day the orthodoxy was that of the judaical government of the time. The New Testament seeks to correct the truth as it should have been. Now we ourselves are holding to an orthodoxy that come from a oppressive regime of gentile Roman clergy that sought to kill anyone who disagree with their understanding. We even go as for to accept two main doctrine of this group, one being that of the trinty that is never mentioned once in the first century as being a prerequisite for salvation, two being that we are not under the authority of the Torah and are to have nothing to do with anything jewish. Now the latter should be clarified by the word, however the orthodoxy ,whether catholic or Protestant , thought it in the love of Christ to kill all the Jews as being a service to God. In closing, we all be better off to find out the true hidden meaning behind the verse in Jerimiah that says," flee Babylon, come out of her my people". Post if you have the courage or continue the legacy of the self righteous.


  11. Marie says:

    Very interesting read Mr. Baker. May I expound for a moment on a few points. I received a book from an extended family member during the pagan festival of christmas…it detailed her trip to heaven during her "near death" experience, and since she is a clinical doctor, that "Cr." on the front cover of the book is a mirage of credtiability that captures the eye. Many family members who claim to know Christ have "pushed" their books and authors on me throughout my life and I have come to the conclusion after becoming a Christ follower instead of a man follower is this. "It is not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-whether in the body I do not know, God knows-such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man-whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows-how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." 2 Corinthians 12: 1-4 Paul speaking. I am comforted by the Apostle Paul's words, a man who had a personal encounter with our Risen Jesus, to completely teach us that his visit to the third heaven is unspeakable for man to utter, there all of the trips to heaven and hell, with all of the books written to garner a handsome sum of mammon are of deceiving spirits. Jesus never capitalized on His teachings and the Apostles never capitalized on their faith in sharing the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. All that is written by man, including the Harbinger is rank deception and I believe you hit the nail right on the head with your entire paragraph.

    I recently had a women in my home who overdosed on drugs during a dark period in her life, suffering from intense problems of living. She is a beautiful, talented woman, who teaches children art in a public school system. She is likable and lovable, and I enjoyed working with her. When she shared her near death experience, while on drugs, she claims that her body went to heaven and there she met her relatives of the past, they were dressed in vintage clothing and the entire scene was that of the 1940's with the model T cars driving around. She said that she was in a place of bright light and intense beauty until she came back to this earth. Whan I asked her point blank if she believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and followed Him, she was very honest with me and said "No, I am not a Christian." Nor did this experience of hers change her heart towards Christ as she still is involved in new age/age old teachings of the evil one. Likewise, the Harbinger book is not Biblical in its theology, oh, it may have a few sprinklings of Scripture here and there, and the concept of America being judged may be true, however, I have to ask all who choose to correspond, "Is it possible that "every" nation is being judged?" And another question, "Who exactly has a covenant with God, a people, or a carnal piece of land? "And another question, "Since we are living in such a time as this, is man becoming more sinful than generations before us, or has their been a continuously flow of sin since the Fall?"

    My last question is this. "Since I have been a part of the religious system of man, why is it that these books like The Harbinger, Focus on the Family's Truth War, Randy Alcorn's books on heaven, Joyce Meyers study on The Power of Words, Family Life Today's study on Marriage and Sex, and all of the millions upon billions of books sold in the name of Jesus to religious systems across America and beyond, capture the hearts and minds of men and women in what is called "Bible Study" in our churches over the very word of God?" I have yet to sit in a church where the Bible is opened up and we read verse upon verse, in context, referencing it with the other Scriptures, allowing God, the Holy Spirit, to teach us and minister to us as fellow believers in Christ. Perhaps our idolitries are closer to home than we think.


    • Lynne says:

      There is a church that opens the Bible and reads it verse by verse, cover to cover… It is Calvary Church founded by Chuck Smith in California, and the one I currently go to in Uncasville CT. The concept is simple, half the service is music/worship, the other half is reading straight from the Bible! you're welcome


  12. Travis says:

    Hello Amy,
    I thought it would be wise to point out the difference between personal discernment and spiritual revelation verses prophecy.
    The Holy Spirit is what allows us each individually to have Spiritual Revelations,
    that can be confirmed when we look within God's word and test the Spirit.
    Jesus also speaks about understanding the times, understanding and seeing signs.
    Regardless of how people may be trying to present this book,
    I have seen nor heard anyone witness or testify to any specific prophecy
    regarding the future. Simply pointing to things that fit with biblical principles and patterns of the past. Which God in his word has demonstrated are relevant.

    In truth he has said nothing beyond what the Word has already told use.
    He is simply pointing out things that God is revealing, so that after they happen,
    we may believe.

    Regarding Glenn Beck, we must not condemn Truth simply because of the messenger. God spoke through a Donkey. But also the LORD says those who are not against him are for him. Think Apollos, Think Cornealus.
    Think why is a non-christian more passionate about things that should concern Christians, then most Christians? Think the Greek Areopagus.


  13. Barry says:

    If you want to know what the future holds look at Revelations in the New Testament not from a false prophet who doesn't even believe Jesus is the son of God


    • Marie says:

      Amen. Amen. Amen. Well said Mr. Barry….appreciate you shortness of the absolute truth about the author of the Harbinger. He also promotes Jewish mysticism in the form of the Zohar.

      I once had women within the religious institution of man promote much of Mr. Cahn's teachings to me, indoctrinating me into their Judiastic Hebrew Roots Movement as man has defined it. According to these women, we are still under the law of Moses and as they promote the teachings of the Torah only, we are still to oberve times, feasts, etc. according to Jewish traditions. Due to my lack of understanding the Bible in context….I was being deceived by these very powerful, convincing women who have the ability to cunningly convince innocent sheep that we must live like the Jewish people.

      1 Timothy 3:6-7 "For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

      Then one day, there was question I asked myself, "If indeed we, as born again Gentiles, are too live like the Torah, then why aren't these pushy women doing the sacrifices as commanded by God in Leviticus….or better yet…why aren't they following every letter of the law in the Torah?" I observed their lifestyles and compared it with the teachings promoted by their mouths and found a huge double standard in their lives….I believe Jesus calls is hypocrisy.

      While experiencing health issues in my life, God, the Holy Spirit, called me back to the basics of the Gospels, and once again, I was gently reminded by Him that Jesus fulfilled everything in the Torah so that we, as Gentiles are grafted into the vine……all born again believers are Israel, God's chosen people.

      Now, Praise God, I am experiencing true freedom and liberty found only in Jesus Christ. Alleluia!


  14. Scott Morgan says:

    I'm currently reading the book and haven't got much further that the "revelations" of the harbingers.

    I know very little about the author or how the book will end. However, the correlations drawn between Isaiah 9:10 and the events following 9/11 are pretty stunning.

    I want to address a few concerns others have expressed:

    1) Cahn never says that God entered a covenant with America. In fact, he specified that he did this solely once with Israel.

    2) It probably is unreasonable to suspect America to repent as a whole. Repentance is an individual thing, anyway, and I have to idea what it would take for America to substantially repent to accord God's favor.


  15. Scott Morgan says:

    3) For those choosing to stick to God's word and not get entangled in books like the Harbinger . . . I can't fault this.

    4) I don't know much about Gnosticism, but then I'm not reading the book as if its Gospel truth, either. I'm intensely interested in the parallels. As for how things go for America, we'll just have to see. Again, its just an interesting book to me (so far).

    On a side note, we don't really need this book to see that America is becoming further and further from the fear of God. But our real purpose isn't to save America but to save souls.


  16. Tracy Suszek says:

    I am a christian and I read the book, I understood it well. I invest my time in my relationship with God. I pray daily and read Gods work often. I believe in the Bible wholeheartedly . God has protected America and I believe God could remove that protection because we have turn away from Him. If we don't return to God, it will get a lot worst.


  17. Tonya Gomez says:

    I agree with all you guys have done here. great article. but one scripture keeps repeating in my head…proverbs says, it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to search out a matter. so I'm not sure that there aren't any mysteries still hidden to us or that it's wrong to ever look for the answers. but I agree this idea of God giving Can this extra biblical revelation is nonsense..


  18. Manny P. says:

    In this day and age when you can see the return of Jesus clearly, I don't believe God has given anyone secret knowledge, God is not a a god of a hide and seek persuasion, he's always been upfront with his people, spoke in parables to those being trained and or judged in order to compel them to listen (the apostles were hard headed and hard hearted at times, the religious of His generation were corrupt), today there are no more prophets, except those that want the gullible to believe it so. They take their money, they spread lies, thousands are deceived and things grow worse. And for those that don't think this country is being judged…….open your eyes: rampant homosexuality, rampant drug abuse, unscrupulous judges, corrupt leaders, corrupt clergy, corrupt church, no love , need I say more?


  19. Lisa truitt says:

    I wonder if you are charismatics or if you are carnal mainstream conservative evangelicals? Because you sound like you are not charismatic and do not believe that the manifestations of Holy Spirit are functioning today. Obviously this makes a huge difference in how you will approach discernment regarding Jonathan cahns book.

    I am charismatic and I absolutely do believe there is extra biblical prophecy. I have seen God speak into my life and the lives of others numerous times in a powerful way that is like that discribed in 1 Cor where speaking of prophesy it says that the secrets of their hearts are made public and they fell on their faces saying God is in you truly. 1 cor also says that prophesies must be judged. They cannot contradict gods word in letter or spirit. So the question re Jonathan Cahns claims are do they do that? Do they lead people away from God and his word and into sin? Do they lead people away from Christ and the gospel and into religion or law. Is he judeaizing?
    I can't tell you for sure the answers to all these questions. I don't think the answer is yes to any of them. But I can't say 100 percent.

    As far as secrets or mysteries are concerned there are a number of these spoken of in the bible. They are not the same thing as Gnosticism so discernment between the two needs to happen. In Daniel the angel says that the vision given to Daniel was about the time of the end and was sealed up until the time of the end. In other words the understanding of the meaning was to be sealed until the time of the end. That sounds like a secret to me.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all that the events that Mr Cahn points to are prophetic in nature, pointing out the weight of the sin of the people of this nation and how far we have strayed from God. It seems beyond coincidence. As far as your skepticism about the US having a covenant with God, it sure sounds like our founders were endeavoring to do just that. They definitely acknowledged their need for and dependence on God and that if our nation turned their backs on him things would not go well, that the providence mercy and blessings bestowed on us would depart. If memory serves me in me cabins book it talks about a church right at ground zero where the George Washington and our other elected officials attended worship service right after his inauguration where words to this effect were spoken and all agreed to them and asked for Gods blessing on the new nation.


  20. harry says:

    In this article you say…
    Why infer that God is giving extra-biblical revelation, when the Bible was given once and for all to the saints?
    Israel is not America, and God did not make a covenant with us, nor are we the apple of His eye.
    Is the publisher pronouncing Rabbi Cahn a foretelling prophet?
    What else has the publisher put out there?

    The author never made this claim, it's not the point, the point is that this country has turned away from God, in maney cases, I want to think it was unknowingly, in the statements made about rebuilding America I am sure is was unknowingly. We were founded a Christian Nation if you take the time to read documents and speeches written by the founding fathers you can prove that. We are "One Nation under God". We are placing ourselves, one Nation over God. When we said we will rebuild stronger we thought we were talking to the terrorist and the world however the terrorist did not cause 9/11, they could have done nothing without God removing "the hedge of protection". Unknowingly by saying what we did and they way it was done, we were telling God were are going to rebuild so you can't destroy us. God created everything including each of us so we belong to him as sure as if we build a robot and send it out to create things; and everything that robot creates belongs to us just as sure as we belong to God, so by default everything that robot creates, belongs to God because God created us. This Nation will not be saved by us,it can only be saved by God. Now while we dont have a covenant with God in the sense that Israel did, with the blessing this country has had we surely had something akin to a covenant with God. In any event, anyone that follows the Lord has a covenant with the Lord and belongs t the Lord, and the Lord will protect what is his with a vengeance that only he has. I ama in the process now of proving what I have read by proving it is wrong, I have already proven it is probably right but its just another path to proof. I tell atheists, I could prove to you that God is real but even so you would not believe me therefor I tell you do not ask me to prove God exists, better go prove to yourself that he does not exists. If you look hard enough you will prove to yourself of God's existence.


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