The new paradigm at Northpoint Church begs the question

I share this story because the tidal wave of acceptance of gay marriage is past the groundswell stage, and mega-churches around the world are opening wide the gates. I found an article from across the pond on the Clerical Whispers site absolutely fascinating, and horrifying:   Gay marriage: this is a battle the Churches will lose – and it will be a messy business.

Meanwhile, Erin over at the Do Not Be Surprised site shows us the sermon graphic of the new Church family in America.  Andy Stanley’s “Microcosm of the Church” and his sermon on homosexualty communicates loud and clear that if you’re going to apply for a volunteer position, Gay is OK, as long as you’re not still in a heterosexual marriage. Here is Erin’s article, reprinted in full:

Andy Stanley’s “Microcosm of the Church”

By now, most have heard about the controversy surrounding a recent sermon preached by pastor Andy Stanley of North Point Community Church. The above graphic was used to illustrate a story in Stanley’s April 15 sermon entitled “When Gracie Met Truthy.” Of this sermon, Dr. Albert Mohler wrote:

The most puzzling and shocking part of the message was the illustration and the account of the homosexual couple, however. The inescapable impression left by the account was that the sin of concern was adultery, but not homosexuality. Stanley clearly and repeatedly stressed the sin of adultery, but then left the reality of the homosexual relationship between the two men unaddressed as sin. To the contrary, he seemed to normalize their relationship. They would be allowed to serve on the host team if both were divorced. The moral status of their relationship seemed to be questioned only in terms of adultery, with no moral judgment on their homosexuality. 

Was this intended as a salvo of sorts? The story was so well told and the message so well constructed that there can be little doubt of its meaning. Does this signal the normalization of homosexuality at North Point Community Church? This hardly seems possible, but it appeared to be the implication of the message. Given the volatility of this issue, ambiguity will be replaced by clarity one way or the other, and likely sooner than later.


If one listens to the sermon in question, the relevant portion begins around the 24 minute mark (an edited video may be viewed here. This graphic, as Stanley explains, represents the “microcosm of the church.” In this particular anecdote that “microcosm” includes a woman, her boyfriend, her boyfriend’s daughter, her own daughter, her ex-husband, and her ex-husband’s homosexual partner. As Mohler noted, in his sermon, Stanley appeared to normalize the unrepentant sin of homosexuality, while simultaneously condemning the adultery that the men were engaging in. It should not surprise, then, that this has caused such a stir.

Last week, Stanley asked that people listen to this sermon series in its entirety, including the final message, which was delivered this past Sunday. While this writer has not yet had opportunity to listen to this latest sermon in full, the Christian Post has offered a brief synopsis:

Referring to one of the last times Jesus spoke to his disciples, as found in John 13:1-17:35, Stanley quoted Jesus as saying, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” He stressed the words, “By this everyone will know…”

Jesus’ movement was all about “how you love,” but over time it became “what you believe,” he said. “If we would simply do what Jesus did … instead of arguing about what he said, the world would change, the reputation of Christ’s followers would change, the influence of the church would change. This is easy. This requires nothing … just a brand new worldview.”


Of course, an adequate response cannot be generated based on these brief quotes alone, but this writer fears that, at North Point Community Church, the world’s idea of “love” has begun to stifle the truth.

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6 Responses to The new paradigm at Northpoint Church begs the question

  1. Mr Davis says:

    How is this a new paradigm?

    2 Timothy 3

    1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come . 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded , lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away . 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further : for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse , deceiving , and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    Acts 20

    26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise , speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch , and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

    11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead , plucked up by the roots ; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    Come out of her my people! Be no longer a partaker of her sins.

    1 Corinthians 6
    8 Nay, ye do wrong , and defraud , and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived : neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed , but ye are sanctified , but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    2 Corinthians 6
    14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said , I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Or can we no longer recognize an unbeliever as one who turns aside from God's word to pursue there own ends.


  2. Mary says:

    Nothing really surprises me anymore but the bar is getting lower and lower in the church, so eventually those who continue to teach unpopular truth will be so unpopular and easy to spot themselves that of course persecution will follow – not only from without but from within the church. Good grief.


    • Larry says:

      Yes, I also believe that a overly significant part of the persecution that is about to happen in America will be facilitated by false brethren. Paul said he was in many dangers, including danger from false brethren. Jesus said, brother will hand brother over to law, that might be both reasonably construed as 'brothers' by the bonds of fellowship as well as brothers by blood.

      Very soon now Leviathan will rise from the lillypads, and othe believing remnant will gasp, while the world rejoices, because they see their king and god coming.


  3. Larry says:

    We are watching Romans 1 play 'out' before our eyes. The heart is deceitfully wicked above all things. Acts of homosexuality are sins nothing more nothing less, the 'born with it' lie is just that. What you are born as, we are all born as, sinners. As Paul said, 'I was alive once apart from the law, and then the law came and sin killed me through the law'. All have sinned and fallen short, and the message remains the same, repent an believe in Jesus Christ.

    Expect the great falling away to gather speed now. Andy Stanley is probably gay, Oral Roberts grandson is gay, Roberts Liardon is gay, how many more? Paul Crouch?

    The shocking revelation for many Christians will be when they realize that their churches have been targeted and infiltrated for the purposes written about in the link I posted above.

    The worship of man is being placed at the center of the American Church. Here is some good news. 'They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.'


  4. Larry says:

    Homosexuality is brazen in its claims 'I am born this way' but we are all lorn in sin, in sin did my mother conceive me. The sins that seem unwilling to boldly proclaim 'I am born this way' are pride, lust , greed, adultery, malice, murder – all would have equal right by the argument since God's law condemns them all.

    This is actually good news for the true church. We can stop playing delicate with sin and preach the gospel, repent and believe.

    Btw secrets are kept in the dark, only in the light of Christ can we find true fellowship.


  5. Mr Davis says:

    Great comment Larry, I love that slogan we are born that way because it is true.

    Oh that we would grasp our depravity and desperate need for Christ, to find our sufficiency in Christ alone and not in ourselves. Oh that God would grant we see ourselves as dead men but alive in Christ.


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