In the world –with healthy boundaries

What does it mean to be “in the world but not of the world?” Today many Christians are either caught up in the culture , or caught up in battling culture wars. Are there healthy boundaries? And if the Church is embracing the culture as the Laodicean Church in revelation did, to we flee or fight for her?

Dave Wager is here with us today.  Dave is the author of several books and the  president of Silver Birch Ranch and Nicolet Bible College in northern Wisconsin.

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2 Responses to In the world –with healthy boundaries

  1. Mr Davis says:

    You know its funny we ignor the most important battles.

    The battle with our own flesh, wherein our depravity should be evident for it is impossible in our flesh to please God. Therefore we are to have no confidence in our flesh at all, none, nota. This isn't the cultural view, the one taught in our schools secular or not.

    Here are just some of the Idioms our culture holds to:

    God helps those who help themselves
    Your failures are not your fault
    Trust your heart
    People are basically good
    The world would be better off without us
    Have faith in yourself
    If you want it done right do it yourself
    Just do it
    Follow your dreams
    Kids are inconvenient
    You make your own path
    Fight for your rights
    The professionals know best
    Science is truth
    Evolution is science
    Trust the science
    Look to the institutions of higher learning for truth
    It is good to be king more over I deserve it
    God is who you make him to be.
    There is more….

    It is no wonder we are so proud! If God is just who you say He is, you just became God's creator. This we do we make God suitable to us.

    Everything listed above are learned and they need to be unlearned, that part we are not doing. For even from the pulpits we cling to these ideologies even promoting them, this is shameful.

    This is contrary to what we are directed to do

    2 Corinthians 10

    3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

    When we come together it is to expose in ourselves heresies of the world which we cling to in order that we may repent.

    This begins at the cross, where our Savior died according to the Scriptures fullfilling the Fathers will that Jesus Christ should suffer as He did and die on our behalf. Jesus Christ gave up his own will to do that. We likewise are called to give up our wills our rights and lay down our lives for one another as well.

    These battles must be fought to understand our weaknesses and our frailty and our utter need of Salvation and the Holy Spirit so we may no longer gratify the flesh but rather walk according to the Spirit.

    It is no wonder the western church is failing


  2. Listening to your show now on mobile. It comes in great! Nice show to day. Unfortunately, on the word of faith you are caught in a bind. WOF has widely infiltrated the area and there are a large number of people who think that WOF is not wrong unless they preach extreme prosperity – they are trying to moderate and integrate – its part of the general sociology of heterodox groups. If you examine closely the teachings of the WOF colleges, the theological differences are more than just skin deep. I liken the difference to that exists between most baptists and several other christian groups we would describe as aberrant. The doctrinal differences are significant enough to bring into question the relationship with the Lord. Some WOF'ers believe that Christians no longer have a propensity for sin in their flesh. It is a unique take on the idea of entire sanctification. There is a layer of christian community in the Green Bay area which is really a mutual compromise about very important doctrinal issues. This is not unity, but we like to pass it off as unity. Once we bind ourselves to the expediency of the christian economy and the reputation it tries to maintain, it becomes much harder to accept the cost of standing up for the truth. The road is not filled with praise or broad acceptance, it is filled with a warfare in the spirit that does not end until the final day. And the dangers of false brethren are very real and perhaps more challenging because many of them are very nice if also very deceived. Those who have ears to hear will hear, and whoever is not against us is for us, and whoever does not gather with Christ scatters.

    God bless.


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